I knew Mighty Monkey Balls was gonna start slingin’ his crap at me sooner or later…
I have seen the middle ground… they had Kiddie Kick and endless forms… and a couple good azzkickers… and a few hotties… not sure how they’re balance sheet looked… but I don’t think they were hurting… but it was TKD:rolleyes:… TKD keeps hotties 
it MUST be the PJ’s 
MP - stop advertising :eek: 
Ap - “yeah, i think it’s viable too. absolutely. but it’s viable based on my personal choices.* not simply by virtue of it being a ‘martial art.’”
You wil have to excuse me I have been ill the last 4 days with a bad stomach flu so I am not all here can you clarify this?
i guess what i mean is that a person that takes martial arts classes, even for the long term, is only going to be as good as their training. what they actually do. if they do the conditioning, pound on the equipment, spar intensely, etc., then their training might be viable. but if the guy standing next to them, wearing the same uniform and the same belt, doesn’t make those same choices, then there’s less chance that his martial arts are going to be viable.
people tend to say “our style does this. our style specializes in close range fighting, so once i close distance on a taekwondoka, he’s all mine.” well, if your style does specialize in something, that suggests that much of your training will be devoted to it. and it’s likely that you’ll be better at it. so there’s a correlation certainly. but it’s still up to the person not to rest on the laurels of what the style supposedly does and actually put those things into practice.
not very profound, after all that. 
stuart b.
Bah. Style vs Style pap… As good as you may be at any style, there is always that moment when you are unprepared, or ambushed, or injured from training etc etc that leaves you vulnerable. There are no new style-specific attacks under the sun. Even as a great fighter you are still subject to being run over, shot, mobbed by hordes of a$$hats. People trying to train for invincibility are grasping at straws. In the end, the ONLY thing you can control is how you face your end. Will your training allow you to die with dignity or whimpering as a little child?
I’m curious Suns-o-b!tch… what’s your usual weigh in?
(needed an excuse to say “Suns-o-b!tch”)
Sun Tzu–
What would it take to get you to come spar at Lloyd’s? I’m serious. We’ve got some guys right in your weight class area that could use a great sparring partner.
Ap- then it sounds like we might be in agreement, in general anyway. Training is definitely the key, a little bit of genetics, and a lot of luck and I think MA can carry you through most everyday occurences.
Suntzu, I agree there are situations where martial arts doesn’t cut it, the bums rush is one of them, maybe. I hope that I can learn to do enough damage, and take enough damage, to hurt enough of them seriously, for the rest to have to think about it, the rest is up to fate I guess.
However, part of my martial arts training, the self defense side anyway, has always been to learn when to watch out for things such as the bums rush. It’s not perfect, nothing is, but not being there is the best defense of all.
In the end, the ONLY thing you can control is how you face your end. Will your training allow you to die with dignity or whimpering as a little child?
er, my money’s on whimpering like a little child, training or no.
“er, my money’s on whimpering like a little child, training or no.”
I am sending you a pretty pink skirt you can do it in too…
er, my money’s on whimpering like a little child, training or no.
I’m going to cry like a beeyotch… I’ve got a lot to live for.
What would it take to get you to come spar at Lloyd’s? I’m serious. We’ve got some guys right in your weight class area that could use a great sparring partner.
not much just a a day and a time…
er, my money’s on whimpering like a little child, training or no.
yeah… that’s safe $$$… bullets are hot and they hurt… timberlands are heavy and don’t require much training… and I’m not quite ready for the next chapter… there’s a girl in my gym I wanna get next to…
Originally posted by red5angel
[B]“er, my money’s on whimpering like a little child, training or no.”
I am sending you a pretty pink skirt you can do it in too… [/B]
hey, if i get stabbed in the ribs or shot in the gut, you can put me in a sundress. and rest assured that i’ll live up to precisely what you’d expect from a strapping six foot man in a sundress.
stuart b.
Ok.
Lemme talk to Lloyd about it. A few of our guys have some fights coming up on the 8th, and I’m not sure he’ll want them banging it out one week before hand…
Ap- then it sounds like we might be in agreement
oh, we generally are, i think.
stuart b.
hey, if i get stabbed in the ribs or shot in the gut, you can put me in a sundress. and rest assured that i’ll live up to precisely what you’d expect from a strapping six foot man in a sundress.
Lemme talk to Lloyd about it. A few of our guys have some fights coming up on the 8th,
Me too… and again on the 28th… Feb is gonna be a painful month…
Wow, some great responses here. See I would definitely have to say that I would fit into the rec. player. I will never say (well until I’m not) I’m a good fighter, better than some, but I know I’d get my arse handed to me in a lot of situations. I’m lucky, my training has helped me get through some tough spots, but I still didn’t make all the right decisions. Kung fu has helped me get and stay relatively healthy. It helps me think, calms me down, has taught me how to hit things more correctly as to minimize injury to my self. I love doing forms, but by no means do I think they are the “key” to being some super human fighter, but I do think they can be a large piece to the puzzle. They are good for conditioning, and also good opportunity to think about footwork, and combos. The current state of Kung fu is mediocre here where I am just because I think a lot of people will talk and say oh, well yeah I study kung fu, a lot of people will either be like whatever or put them on a pedastal of sorts. The people who aren’t forthcoming about how hard they actually train can def. give a bad rap of sorts. It all depends on how you are looking at it, I think its good for forms compotition right now, there are plenty of players out there. There are a few pretty good fighters around here, I’ve just been lazy about trying to get into any scene like that, and going back to what I said…I’m a rec. type of player.
It in some ways is unfortunate that the U.S. is so big, because if you had a lot of these chode teachers in a smaller space, I’d have to imagine there would be a certain amount of the mcdojo aspect taken out of the arts.
Ap- I would hate to see you on the splatball field… :)…
northern,
It’s actually a communications issue. It’s hard to be an illegitimate BJJ school–not impossible, but hard. Why? Because we have an internet community that hunts these people down.
Eventually, you will reach a point where you have BJJ schools and everybody will know who the big boys are. I mean that some might be not so hot, but everybody will know who the big players are… kinda like the Big 6 in San Shou, or Fairtex in MT, Renzo, Machado, Lloyd, in BJJ, etc.
:mad: :cough:Big 7:cough:
Originally posted by red5angel
Ap- I would hate to see you on the splatball field… :)…
don’t worry. i don’t wear the sundress for that. too easy to flash the dude behind me when i’m diving for cover.
stuart b.
:cough:Oil Check Sun Tzu:cough:
I stand corrected…