It must be the PJ’s…
They worked for Hugh Hefner.
Originally posted by Stranger
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They worked for Hugh Hefner. [/B]
the $$millions$$ didn’t hurt either…
Ap - after getting beat on at full power for the past year… the mysticism tends to wear off… and reality becomes painfully obvious…
Ap - after getting beat on at full power for the past year… the mysticism tends to wear off… and reality becomes painfully obvious…
I’m so proud of you. tear
the $$millions$$ didn’t hurt either…
Ah yes, that critical ingredient that changes a man walking around in his pajamas from insane to desirable in the eyes of women.
A lot of good stuff…
I don’t think CSN was being serious, he’s just tired of this kind’ve recurring thread.
Personally, I think that this kind of thread is good just by looking at how the answers are changing over time. In the beginning, there were a lot of excuses based on mysticism and make believe (much like CSN’s post) and not enough accountability being taken for bad training. Nowadays, most people are agreeing that it’s mostly poor work ethics and fanatical denial that’s keeping some CMA in the dark ages, but most progressive schools are developing real combat effective skills based on their traditional school’s foundation. That’s what they were intended for in the past, and that’s what they will once again be in the future. Right now we’re just stuck in that luke-warm middle area where a lot of mistakes and progress will be made, it’s just going to take some time to iron out the details.
Now, about Hef’s PJs…
Ap - after getting beat on at full power for the past year… the mysticism tends to wear off… and reality becomes painfully obvious…
yeah. aren’t relationships grand.
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what?
kung fu?
oh.
er, yeah. d*mn right!
I don’t buy that it has been mostly relegated to sport or recreation, or I should say, made obsolete by modern times. I have seen it come into play more often then not in too many fights. Sure if the guy has a gun then yes it becomes a moot point.
I think it has been relegated to sport for exctly that attitude and the others that were listed. I just get tired of hearing so called martial artist ramble on about spirituality or how much more in tune they are with the universe they are now that they are on the 5th form of some-fu. I am about thisclose to kicking the next guys a$$ who starts yapping at me about the death moves he learned way back when learning under some guy whoes name he can’t remember.
Red 5
You should see my death moves that I learned a few years back from this guy… but I can’t seem to remember his name but he was old and Chinese.
MightyB, I think you hit something on dead on.
“but most progressive schools are developing real combat effective skills based on their traditional school’s foundation. That’s what they were intended for in the past”
I tihnk all the mysticism bs was a sign of the times. I think all the forms, all the drills etc.. were at some point tested through real or mostly real combat.
What cracks me up about CMA is that you hear all these stories about guys going out anf fighting :eek: really fighting and testing what they know in a fight :eek: but now a days all you get is alot of stuttering about being civil and not wanting to get hurt. What I hear is fear, enough to even stop a good portion of these guys from getting out there with some gloves and some light pads and going all out, see if what they have can pass the test.
MB - I think I owe you a few death move demonstrations at some point :mad:
red5angel,
well, i think suntzu has a good point in that while martial arts may once have been cutting edge technology for personal combat, that’s no longer the case. those for whom personal combat is an issue have found other ways. primarily the military. and you obviously know their modern-day solutions to the question.
that leaves regular folks. they’re the ones carrying the martial arts torch these days. so in a time when martial arts isn’t the best tool for combat and martial artists aren’t generally the combatants anyway, then the role has changed a bit. whether that role now focuses on recreation, spirituality (which i have no problem with, done in a not-insipid way), self defense (which is still a very different bag from military-style conflict), etc. is up to the individual, i suppose. but i agree with suntzu’s point that the martial arts are relegated to a different position than before. for many of us, a far more casual one. if it were a military affair, the intensity of our training would be mandated by necessity. now, it’s mandated by personal choice.
stuart b.
I can go with the idea that it’s not the ‘cutting edge’ of personal combat per se, after all, I would prefer my old Car 15 with all the trim and a few fragmentation grenades… 
However, I still think if it were treated more seriously it could be a viable and really still is a viable way of defending yourself and others.
Don’t get me wrong, I don’t think there is anything wrong with the recreational aspect of it by any means. Unless of course you fool yourself into thinking your the walking embodiment of death itself after getting your purple belt at Sams Happy Hut of MArtial Arts…
I don’t condemn a person for being afraid of fighting, heck, I commend them for it. But I can’t understand why people are afraid to train hard or realistic. A lot of people are rec kung fuers and there’s nothing wrong with that, but folks, if you’re teaching, for God’s sake make 'em sweat a little.
I like the comments about the reality of crime and MA. That’s so true. Avoid thugs and criminals if you can. MA helps, but it’s NO guarantee.
So how many of you are going to buy a replica set of Hef’s PJs?
like I said bar fight and street scuffles… which is nothing more than adult playground fights… and I’m not deny’n GOOD KUNG-FU’s ™ effectiveness in those situations… but as far as KF for self-defense as far as CRIME goes… illusion… I know criminals and victims… sometimes in the same person… and if u can survive the 15 man( and a few girls ) bum rush… you were more lucky than skilled… and if u dodge bullets like NEO… than the director hasn’t yelled CUT yet…
yeah, i think it’s viable too. absolutely. but it’s viable based on my personal choices.* not simply by virtue of it being a ‘martial art.’
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stuart b.
bar fight and street scuffles… which is nothing more than adult playground fights
another really good distinction
Suntzu, the clarification makes sense. I mostly agree. I might be the one fooling myself here but I think my martial arts will hold up in more situations I ‘might’ encounter then situations I won’t, if that makes sense? But like I said, I am willing to admit I may be a fool here…
Ap - “yeah, i think it’s viable too. absolutely. but it’s viable based on my personal choices.* not simply by virtue of it being a ‘martial art.’”
You wil have to excuse me I have been ill the last 4 days with a bad stomach flu so I am not all here can you clarify this?
But I can’t understand why people are afraid to train hard or realistic. A lot of people are rec kung fuers and there’s nothing wrong with that, but folks, if you’re teaching, for God’s sake make 'em sweat a little.
Yessirrrr… but IMO as far as MA schools go… most people don’t wanna work hard… so in order to survive u gotta appeal to the folks that’s gonna pay the bills… I train in a converted garage… dues were cheap… no contracts… the instructor said he has to pay out of pocket almost every month to keep the place going… Dojo had nothing but animals training there… so pick your poison ( as a school owner )… financial sucess or a hardcore group of killers and breaking even if lucky…
but I think my martial arts will hold up in more situations I ‘might’ encounter then situations I won’t, if that makes sense?
oh I understand… when the bum rush comes I’m glad I have a lil knowledge on how to handle myself… I might break up one or two of 'em… but it will not be a pretty outcome…
Suntzu
There may be a middle ground somewhere between realistic and still making money Sun Spoo Boy;)
When ones of you’s finds it, posts it so’s we can alls be rich-- and tough-- with lots of b!tches hanging all over us.
Lloyd’s found it.