The Philosopy of BJJ?

http://www.jiujitsufighting.com/theory.html

“The greatest thing about Jiu-Jitsu is that it works for anyone who is willing to learn the techniques. The whole philosophy is completely unique to any other martial art I have ever encountered. Most people have the hardest time letting go of what they think fighting should be: Speed, and strength. In Brazilian style Jiu-Jitsu, one can perform all the moves on anyone. No matter what the size or speed of the opponent facing you, one can control and defeat them if they use pure technique. The first thing my trainer ever told me, is not to muscle your way around, but to squeeze, and squeeze toward you center.”

Gosh, this almost sounds like some Taiji chi wanker kind of stuff.

EO

[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1054389]http://www.jiujitsufighting.com/theory.html

“The greatest thing about Jiu-Jitsu is that it works for anyone who is willing to learn the techniques. The whole philosophy is completely unique to any other martial art I have ever encountered. Most people have the hardest time letting go of what they think fighting should be: Speed, and strength. In Brazilian style Jiu-Jitsu, one can perform all the moves on anyone. No matter what the size or speed of the opponent facing you, one can control and defeat them if they use pure technique. The first thing my trainer ever told me, is not to muscle your way around, but to squeeze, and squeeze toward you center.”

Gosh, this almost sounds like some Taiji chi wanker kind of stuff.

EO[/QUOTE]

the principles are sound.

centering and balance.

squeezing toward your center, it is called closing or he.

the opposite would be from your centerline outward, it is called opening or kai.


not to argue Eric, just wanted to poist some thing out siimply for discussion sake.

"The greatest thing about Jiu-Jitsu is that it works for anyone who is willing to learn the techniques.

I feel that if you are willing to learn any art and learn it correclty it will work for you not just BJJ

Most people have the hardest time letting go of what they think fighting should be: Speed, and strength
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Speed and strength are the two main factors in fighting techniques is also a main factor, however 2 people with the same techniques the quicker one will always win.

In Brazilian style Jiu-Jitsu, one can perform all the moves on anyone No matter what the size or speed of the opponent facing you, one can control and defeat them if they use pure technique.

this is not true. I watched a match with a BJJ guy that was outsized and outweighed and by a wrestler he could not mount his opponent , he was too big, he also could not get out form underneath he weighed far more than the bjj guy to this is true to a point but not 100%

not to muscle around

it is to use smart or fine power chiao li and not crude force or zhuo li.

use the force smartly yong li yao chiao.

adequate force to apply your technique

your technique is smartly placed to out manuever your stronger opponent

if your opponent is weaker, you may just force him anyway. you may out muscle him.


[QUOTE=Eric Olson;1054389]http://www.jiujitsufighting.com/theory.html

“The greatest thing about Jiu-Jitsu is that it works for anyone who is willing to learn the techniques. The whole philosophy is completely unique to any other martial art I have ever encountered. Most people have the hardest time letting go of what they think fighting should be: Speed, and strength. In Brazilian style Jiu-Jitsu, one can perform all the moves on anyone. No matter what the size or speed of the opponent facing you, one can control and defeat them if they use pure technique. The first thing my trainer ever told me, is not to muscle your way around, but to squeeze, and squeeze toward you center.”

Gosh, this almost sounds like some Taiji chi wanker kind of stuff.

EO[/QUOTE]

Athletic attributes (strength, speed, power, endurance) all matter.

Brainwashing and unrealistic techniques can also be found in the BJJ community.

Eric, let it go bro…

[QUOTE=Yum Cha;1054473]Eric, let it go bro…[/QUOTE]

Let what go?

EO

perhaps he is Yumcha (correct me if im wrong) is speaking of you saying one art being better than another… its no the art that matters its how you train it.

[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1054479]perhaps he is Yumcha (correct me if im wrong) is speaking of you saying one art being better than another… its no the art that matters its how you train it.[/QUOTE]

??? Where did I write that???

you started this thread with being completly biased and saying JJ is better than other arts…

"The greatest thing about Jiu-Jitsu is that it works for anyone who is willing to learn the techniques.

this is true for ALL MA not just JJ so it sounds biased and one sided

The whole philosophy is completely unique to any other martial art I have ever encountered.

all MA have a unique philosophy not just JJ

[QUOTE] In Brazilian style Jiu-Jitsu, one can perform all the moves on anyone.

this is NOT true and sounds baised again

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No matter what the size or speed of the opponent facing you, one can control and defeat them if they use pure technique
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THIS is also not true

so as you can see I personally read this thread and said JJ is a great art no doubt, but its not the be all and end all of arts… it might work for you, but not for all… just sayin

The BJJ is taking the short cut. If you are not a striker, you take your opponent down ASAP so your opponent’s striking skill won’t give you any problem. The problem for this approach is no matter how good you are with your ground skill, you will never be a good striker. It’s better to “cross train” than to put all your eggs in one basket.

MA involves kick, punch, lock, throw, ground game, short weapon, long weapon, throwing weapon, … The ground game is only a subset of all MA.

[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1054495]you started this thread with being completly biased and saying JJ is better than other arts…

"The greatest thing about Jiu-Jitsu is that it works for anyone who is willing to learn the techniques.

this is true for ALL MA not just JJ so it sounds biased and one sided

all MA have a unique philosophy not just JJ

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THIS is also not true

so as you can see I personally read this thread and said JJ is a great art no doubt, but its not the be all and end all of arts… it might work for you, but not for all… just sayin[/QUOTE]

When something is in quotes it means someone else wrote or said it. In this case it came from the link I provided.

EO

I always compare wing chun as a stand up of BJJ ground principles..

I like the position before submission/power which I think relates directly to wing chun and chi sau

Paul
www.moifa.co.uk

funny forest griffin beat 2 gracies by pounding their heads in to the mat, no jui jitsu involved.

[QUOTE=teetsao;1054537]funny forest griffin beat 2 gracies by pounding their heads in to the mat, no jui jitsu involved.[/QUOTE]

yeah but he did have wrestling experience, which can be used to dictate where the fight takes place…

regaurdless, how did he win?? the answer is there, not in a bjj submission, and not a fluke. on 2 of the worlds best known bjj exponents.

eric, my bad I and im sure others on here thought you wrote that. if your going to quote someone try using

this quote application
seeing as how everyone on here uses this feature its makes for a better understanding that you didnt say it…

[QUOTE=teetsao;1054540]regaurdless, how did he win?? the answer is there, not in a bjj submission, and not a fluke. on 2 of the worlds best known bjj exponents.[/QUOTE]

Huh? What are you talking about? The only time Griffin fought “a Gracie” was on the Law and Order TV show.

And BTW, Griffin is a BJJ brown belt.

sorry ot all you ufc/mma fans, i meant matt hughes, they all look alike to me.
law and order???