Classic bjj fight vrs kung fu cat who I think is Jason Delucia?
In a bizzare way, some small physical elements of it remind you of the Springer meltdown. Don’t you just love the BJJ marketing aspect of it thought…
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1185411761/Classic_Fight_Between_Royce_Gracie_and_a_Kung_Fu_Expert
Rorion’s commentary was always entertaining.
And what have we all learned since that fight? Besides the fact that Delucia was not a Kung fu expert, and in fact a Kempo guy?
That your average Kung Fu guy without ground experience would end up the same way as a Kempo guy.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;782233]And what have we all learned since that fight? Besides the fact that Delucia was not a Kung fu expert, and in fact a Kempo guy?[/QUOTE]
Delucia fought a much better fight than pretty much any of the kung fu guys that I saw come into the Academy over the years.
The only people who had anything to to with kung fu who showed much in terms of fighting ability were the JKD guys, one of whom almost knocked out out one of the purple belts in a challenge match (ironically, the purple belt was also an ex-JKD guy).
DeLucia had a couple fights with Royce didn’t he?
Always coming back for more, quite the scrapper and fighter.
One day we MAY see the “real” kung fu in action, though I am not holding my breathe…probably see the Sasquatch competing in MMA before that.
[QUOTE=rogue;782270]That your average Kung Fu guy without ever fighting someone with ground experience would end up the same way as a Kempo guy.[/QUOTE]
fixed…
That your average Kung Fu guy without ground experience would end up the same way as a Kempo guy.
Rogue, you mean like this…
Well, in contemplation over this particular vid (which i cant watch right now, but im sure i have the right one in mind) we can learn what DeLucia’s strengths and weaknesses are in that fight.
We can learn some things about Delucia.
We can make the obvious observation that being well rounded, versed in standup, clinch, and ground are all important. We can learn who, out of those 2 men, won the fights.
Can we learn as a whole about any “style” of fighter in a broad sweeping generalization of people who may have background in specific ethnic martial traditions? No. That would be silly for us to do.
But I think over all the most important lesson here is to NOT fight a bjj player unless you know the ground. To do otherwise would be like attempting to swim across a body of water with out knowing how to swim first. You WILL drown.
i give this 2 stars out of 10.
2 Shaken in the right place can cause a lot of discomfort !
Question…
is this fight prior to the UFC fight?? I believe it is. If it is then we know why he was picked to fight in the UFC…because Royce already knew he could beat him!!
Plus Jason is not a “KUNGFU” Expert.
Why is he not a kung fu expert…what is the set standard for a kung fu expert?
[QUOTE=Black Jack II;782336]Why is he not a kung fu expert…what is the set standard for a kung fu expert?[/QUOTE]
Thats part of the problem. There is no set standard for being a “kungfu expert”
and the largest part of that problem being people put forth that claim, and then when defeated, kungfu as a whole gets dogged on.
when in fact that claim should not have probably been made.
oh by the way, I am an expert in everything life has to offer, in all facets and all ways. I am the supremem being on this planet.
see how my words dont really make it so? thats the major problem with people who like to make claims they cannot back up.
when you make a claim of an expert, you need to be able to back that claim up. when you cannot back up your claim, you prove yourself to in fact NOT be an expert.
for instance, if you claim you are an expert in Egyptian history, yet when asked the line of Pharo’s you cannot recite, you are in fact obviously NOT an expert.
the test will prove if you are really an expert, in this case, fighting. If you claim to be an expert of fighting, yet cannot hold up. your claim is thus proved to be false.
One can argue that, when one choose to fight and represent a system of combat, then, rightlyfully so, that system is being judged.
If someone else doesn’t agree with his “representation” of said system, then THEY should “do better”.
Jason wasn’t a kung fu stylist at all, was he?
Why is he not a kung fu expert…what is the set standard for a kung fu expert?
Because he was a kempo guy, not a Kung Fu guy. He should have been billed as a Kempo guy, but wasn’t because Kung Fu sells better due to Bruce lee, and David carridine. It wasto Gracie’s advantage to let him bill himself as a Kung Fu guy as well, because they were out to dominate the Kung Fu world.
Just because Kempo guys like to sell thier art as Kung Fu for marketing appeal, does not make them a practiioner of a purebred authentic, real Kung Fu system…it makes them Kempo guys.
I didn’t pick him to represent me. If I knew he was going to be the end all-be all measure of kung fu then I’d have call out for a more extensive try out.
And that scott guy, oh god, that was bad. I didn’t pick him either.
And not to knock kempo, Liddell was a kempo guy.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;782343]Why is he not a kung fu expert…what is the set standard for a kung fu expert?
Because he was a kempo guy, not a Kung Fu guy. He should have been billed as a Kempo guy, but wasn’t because Kung Fu sells better due to Bruce lee, and David carridine. It wasto Gracie’s advantage to let him bill himself as a Kung Fu guy as well, because they were out to dominate the Kung Fu world.
Just because Kempo guys like to sell thier art as Kung Fu for marketing appeal, does not make them a practiioner of a purebred authentic, real Kung Fu system…it makes them Kempo guys.[/QUOTE]
If Ed parker was alive, he’d hit you with his ukelaylee !
Because he was a kempo guy, not a Kung Fu guy.
His own site has 5 Animal Kung Fu listed all over it, now again there is not a chart showing who he learned from or anything about his specific system, but those words are there as bright as day.
His Aiki Kempo system I believe is something new.