Doesn’t make it real.
And again, I didn’t pick him. Did anyone here pick him? Was there a committee I missed? Was there an international convention dedicated to setting up elections or try outs for the ultimate champion of kung fu? No. LOL!
But if he had won…
Sure, some would take the opportunity. But they would know. And I still wouldn’t have picked him.
Like they do with Cung le.
Doesn’t make it real.
Of course it does not make it real. It seem’s though that in the confines of what one may consider “real” in cma, that topic itself can be dragged back and forth between a number of different people, bickering about what is what and who is who.
And again, I didn’t pick him.
Actually, even if you did it would be nothing to sh!t on the toilet rim about. The guy has a decent fight record, has actually stood up and competed in mma, and for all intent and purposes is a fighter.
The selection could of been worse.
Read the book ‘No Holds Barred: Evolution’ by Clyde Gentry III DeLucia was a legit Kung-Fu guy. Of course he does not represent all KF guys, ans Royce does not represent all BJJ guys.
[QUOTE=Black Jack II;782363]
The selection could of been worse.[/QUOTE]
His fight record and ability are not in question. Its the fact that OTHER people want to make this the Flag baring poster child for all kung fu.
Its the fact that OTHER people want to make this the Flag baring poster child for all kung fu.
No doubt there.
In essence its absurd to really say styles make fights, its not just that simple, its more about the enviroment dictating the fight, and by fight I am talking about a self defense situation here. Last time I checked people don’t have a day glow aura over there heads stating what training they have in what martial art.
Even if they did it would not mean a lick of camel ****.
[QUOTE=tattooedmonk;782333]is this fight prior to the UFC fight?? I believe it is. If it is then we know why he was picked to fight in the UFC…because Royce already knew he could beat him!!
Plus Jason is not a “KUNGFU” Expert.[/QUOTE]
- it was before the UFC fight
- delucia then decided to take up bjj because he realized the importance of groundwork.
- delucia has a better fight record than ANY kung fu guy you can point out who is fighting mma.
- why does he have to be an “expert” in order to compete?
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;782343]Why is he not a kung fu expert…what is the set standard for a kung fu expert?
Because he was a kempo guy, not a Kung Fu guy. He should have been billed as a Kempo guy, but wasn’t because Kung Fu sells better due to Bruce lee, and David carridine. It wasto Gracie’s advantage to let him bill himself as a Kung Fu guy as well, because they were out to dominate the Kung Fu world.
Just because Kempo guys like to sell thier art as Kung Fu for marketing appeal, does not make them a practiioner of a purebred authentic, real Kung Fu system…it makes them Kempo guys.[/QUOTE]
who said he was a kempo guy? he said himself he was a kung fu guy. He later started bjj and now he is on an aiki-kempo kick. IMO, the gracies weren’t out to dominate the kung fu world specifically, but the tma world in general.
Hell, after all this time, who really cares if he is or isn’t a kung fu guy? he’s a fighter with a better pro record than probably anyone on this forum…
[QUOTE=tattooedmonk;782333]is this fight prior to the UFC fight?? I believe it is. If it is then we know why he was picked to fight in the UFC…because Royce already knew he could beat him!! Plus Jason is not a “KUNGFU” Expert.[/QUOTE]
That challenge match was before his UFC fight. He then trained with the Gracies. After that, he entered the UFC. The Gracies felt it was disrespectful of him to enter after training with them, which is why Royce snapped his arm in the UFC match.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;782350]If Ed parker was alive, he’d hit you with his ukelaylee ![/QUOTE]
Now that’s funny
[QUOTE=SevenStar;782401]1. it was before the UFC fight
2. delucia then decided to take up bjj because he realized the importance of groundwork.
3. delucia has a better fight record than ANY kung fu guy you can point out who is fighting mma.
4. why does he have to be an “expert” in order to compete?[/QUOTE] Did he decide after this fight or after the UFC fight?? He looked worse in the UFC fight.IMHO
He is no kung fu expert. He said he was five animal kung fu.He does not really represent kung fu IMHO.
He does not have to be an expert to compete.
He was billed as a five animals kung fu expert.
Which you can see from the pre fight warm up and profile he was nothing of the sort.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;782424]That challenge match was before his UFC fight. He then trained with the Gracies. After that, he entered the UFC. The Gracies felt it was disrespectful of him to enter after training with them, which is why Royce snapped his arm in the UFC match.[/QUOTE]
Now that’s so stupid a mentality it would even make a TMA grand master blush.
[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;782343]Why is he not a kung fu expert…what is the set standard for a kung fu expert?
Because he was a kempo guy, not a Kung Fu guy. [/QUOTE]
His website says he was trained in Five Animal Kung Fu:
“As a boy Jason was legally adopted by his kung fu teacher. He studied many years, and was tested in the tradition of the time: the sash test.
The sash test was a ritual combat endeavor in which the winner was signified by the removal of the sash of his opponent by incapacitation, stealth, or other. He failed once and passed the second time.
In 1992 in response to his direct challenge. Jason went to Los Angeles to challenge Steven Seagal to a fight in his Dojo. He proved reluctant, but there were other takers. One, Royce Gracie, and his dynasty took him up on a challenge, which begat a rematch, which begat an invitation to fight in Japan.
It was his career in Japan which cultivated him to a higher dimension. It forced Jason to first excel at the popular techniques of the time. It also began the rebirth of his core techniques, five animal kung fu, which he was able to transpose into aikido as a less physically demanding and more natural version.”
[QUOTE=tattooedmonk;782427]He looked worse in the UFC fight.IMHO
He is no kung fu expert. He said he was five animal kung fu.He does not really represent kung fu IMHO..[/QUOTE]
He did manage to beat Scott Baker, another kung fu guy.
what’s all this about kempo not being kungfu?
Pretty much all the Kempo schools i have ever seen online or in cities call what they do a style of kungfu. dragon and tiger. it is a hybrid kung fu system correct?
YES CORRECT.
Peace,TWS
[QUOTE=PangQuan;782338]Thats part of the problem. There is no set standard for being a “kungfu expert”
and the largest part of that problem being people put forth that claim, and then when defeated, kungfu as a whole gets dogged on.
when in fact that claim should not have probably been made.
oh by the way, I am an expert in everything life has to offer, in all facets and all ways. I am the supremem being on this planet.
see how my words dont really make it so? thats the major problem with people who like to make claims they cannot back up.
when you make a claim of an expert, you need to be able to back that claim up. when you cannot back up your claim, you prove yourself to in fact NOT be an expert.
for instance, if you claim you are an expert in Egyptian history, yet when asked the line of Pharo’s you cannot recite, you are in fact obviously NOT an expert.
the test will prove if you are really an expert, in this case, fighting. If you claim to be an expert of fighting, yet cannot hold up. your claim is thus proved to be false.[/QUOTE]
[SIZE=“6”]So True!
In fact JFS is a good example, Master of everything (including mouth boxing), and ability of NONE![/SIZE]
He is no kung fu expert. He said he was five animal kung fu.He does not really represent kung fu IMHO.
Tough, either way you call it, for good or bad or indifferent he was/is a kung fu player.
Like I said, his fight record is long, he has a fighters heart, what better pick could you want with the exception of a hands down winner, get real.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;782429]It also began the rebirth of his core techniques, five animal kung fu, which he was able to transpose into aikido(?!?!?!?) as a less physically demanding and more natural version."[/QUOTE]
Like I said, I didn’t pick him.