http://www.subfighter.tv/vid/highlights/fight/Royce%20Gracie%20vs%20Kung%20Fu.wmv
Well, can’t say the guy wasn’t a good representative of whatever. He actually looked in good shape and like he was no stranger to actually hitting and being hit.
I’d just say ignorance of grappling got him there.
No big deal.
Was the guy that got KOed the KFer? Based on the funny togs, I assumed it was the BJJer.
Edit - never mind - I watched it again with the sound on. D’oh!
I agree that the kung fu guy was a good fighter who knew how to take some punishment. Kung Fu will always be my first love, but I realize that ground fighting is a weakness, at least in most pure kung fu systems I am familiar with. That is why I am making kenpo my base system, because it includes a lot of take downs and ground fighting techniques. It would have been interesting to see how this had turned out if the kung fu guy could have prevented the take down. If the Gracie guys proposition is correct, that you are going down and then you are in my territory, then we should not be ignorant of what to do at that point.
He looked a bit intimidated by Royce. He wasn’t agrresive enough. Pulled way too many hits for fear of coming in. And, he didn’t follow up his techniques. Using single shots then retreating, big mistake. He was lacking in the footwork department too, quite stiff. He should of held on to the neck crank at least.
Judges score: 5.7 for the effort.
When was this tape made? And where? Curious.
He should of held on to the neck crank at least.
Ummmm… why?
I don’t know about him, but when I crank a neck, it stays cranked. I don’t let go. I squeeze the heck out of it and make him feel like he’s going to pop.
May not be the accepted norm , but I’m good at it. 
On second look, he didn’t do it the way I would have. He had it on the side. I usually bring it to my chest with both arms and fold the head down as I pull the neck toward me.
Nevermind…
Don’t want to discuss, lol!
IMHO, this guys striking was poor. Seemed like point training at best. He didn’t give royce any deterent for his approach.
I’m surprised, must be chirstamas. I didn’t get the usual, “Hey , thats a bunch of crap.” LOL!
A merry prankster to all and to all a good fight.
I agree, total point fighter.
That fight is from Gracie in Action. Its Jason Delica from ufc 2. The kung fu guy who got ambared buy Royce.
This Kung Fu guy looks more like TKD to me. Look at his foot work, or complet lack of it. He GAVE up is root by where he placed his feet. 15 seconds into the fight, to the second almost, he was done for.
He basically opened up a line of travel for his opponent that went right under his as$. This practically gave the BJJ guy his back.
If you look in around 22-1/2 seconds, you see the BJJ guy took advantage of it as he should, by sliding in behind his right leg, disrupting his center and taking his root, the rest was all down hill form there.
I hate to say it, but the Bjj guy fought with more real Kung Fu in his stand up, than the Suposed Kung Fu guy did. He actually had good Chinese principals in play and everything. He then finished on the ground in an efficient mannor with his BJJ skills.
Originally posted by wiz cool c
That fight is from Gracie in Action. Its Jason Delica from ufc 2. The kung fu guy who got ambared buy Royce.
…The guy who gave so many orgasms to ralek!.. 
To me, it’s not weather the guy “looked” like a KF guy or not. I’ve seen plenty like him, so I don’t care what he is. I think it’s always hard to say I would have done this or that, because unless you train for those instances, I don’t think you can say.
However, on a fundamental level there are things that this fighter could have considered. A basic idea in BJJ is “too close and too far”. This fighter let Royce dictate the space. Royce was never in any danger from being hit or kicked by this guy, as he was “too far” away. Royce then set the guy up by letting him strike himself out of position for a take down. The better idea would to have moved to a medium range, and at an off angle apply consistant pressure using a combo of kicks/knees and punches/elbows. When you find the angle and distance of the fight moving against you work to readjust this. Be ready to defend the take down. If this is considered, then you can put your opponent in a bad position for a solid kick. If the opponent is on the ground and you’re standing, don’t put your legs in position for the take down from the ground in haste to make a kill shot. Also, the guillotine if mounted does not work. There is no opposing pressure. In other words, you have no force going the opposite direction from the neck, and so the person never really has too much pressure on their neck. Other than that, the guy made common mistakes that got him beat on the ground…he exposed his back, reached when put in guard, etc. etc.
Just like it’s frustrating to be taken to the ground when that’s not your game, it’s naturally just as frustrating for a ground fighter to be kept on his feet taking kicks and punches. In that way, I believe the fundamental principles of fighting are more important than the techniques IMHO. Or maybe a better way to put it, the principles set up the execution of technique.
Thanks for the clip. Great old school style.
Do many BJJ guys still use the initial defensive posture this guy had? It seems very different from the judo or wrestling inspired postures that I’ve seen more commonly.
Did the BJJ guy here try to stop the striker from giving his back in the mount? If so, did he consider back mount an inferior position to mount; perhaps because of the thrust a belly-down opponent can make with his knees and legs?
P.S. As judge, I award many points to the striker for escaping the back mount to end up in guard. Good job you yellow-shorted rapscallion!
P.P.S. Happy holidays everyone.
Royce then set the guy up by letting him strike himself out of position for a take down
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No, this loss had nothing to do with “Royce” setting anyone up.The suposed Kung Fu guy gave it all up at the 15 second mark when he crossed his right foot infront of the line dictating his opponents direction of travel, giving him a clear, and unprotected shot under his center. When he kicked that last time around 22 seconds, his leg was traveling from an unprotected position to begin with, and it exposed him even more. He basically handed the uproot to him for free. Royce (if that was him), just accepted his offer graciously. It was a no brainer on his part.
Go to the 15 second mark, and watch the guys foot. Now, draw an imaginary line perfectly striaght, useing “Royces” body position to determin direction of travel. You will see it goes right under the Kung fu guys ass allowing Royce to effortlessly drop him at will. At 22 seconds he mearly follows our imaginary line exactly and the fight is over, Kung Fu guy is never able to recover enough to turn the tables back in his direction. All the rest of it is just a futile, vain effort in hopelessness. If Roce was a striker, it wuld have been over sooner as the guy would have been knocked out by a strike as he was bouncing off the wall.
This guy had no structure, really bad footwork, and even worse positioning, THAT’s why he lost. It had nothing to do with Royce’s ability at all. The Kung Fu guy just had bad basics.
It really is all in the feet boys.
Just watched it again, and it’s worse than I thought, Not only is the Kung Fu guy not even remotely useing Kung Fu, but ROYCE IS!!
Look at his foot work, and his repeated use of the Kung Fu “Cat Stance” and lead leg “Stop Kick” seen so commonly in Shaolin schools. We used to do that one at Tsai’s, and in Cobra Kai all the time. Look at the way he used his positioning, and his line of travel, look at his use of uprooting tactics to position the guy as he wanted, it’s right out of the Kung Fu textbooks.
It’s really sad when the BJJ guy is better at Kung Fu, than the Kung Fu guy is.
At about 23 seconds, he had totally uprooted him, and was in controll of his elbow, causing the kung fu guys head to be wide open to anything he wanted to knock him silly with. If Royce had stuck to a good striking game, I think it would have been over by the 28 second mark, and no later than the 30 by knockout.
At the 24 second mark, he changed arts, and started fighting like a BJJ guy. I think he had the positioning he need to strike the guy out prior to that though, but he let it go in favor of his specialty (Bjj).
I think at 22 seconds the KF guy was done with. KF man was pretty bouncy before, but made his biggest mistake throwing the telegraphed lunging kick. That got stuffed, and Royce was able to stay rooted firmly in place and could shoot in really quicky while kf man was still retreating. Then KF man really made it easy for Royce by panicing and throwing a high kick that had no hope of connecting while he was being grabbed. Without that last kick I think he still might’ve had a shot to recover. Royce fought a lot more like I was taught, never bounce around, and his posture was almost exactly how my old coach used to fight.
IMO DeLucia is a pretty good fighter. Fighting Gracie in his third match, however, was probably not a great idea.
Here is DeLucia’s record for the record:
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/displayfighter.cfm?fighterid=22