ALL KUNGFU PEP, MArtist get over here I need you

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I am sick of this “Kungfu isnt a good sport” or it cant work in the UFC. Bull I here,

I have snapped, just snapped.
I know that Chen Tai ji Quan and Wing CHun isnt the best in every situation or preference. But I really need your help or your agreement, to but this WAR AGAINST KUNGFU to an end.

About Ninjutsu, I dont know alot about it, but the little I do know I like, and if ninjutsu stylist are good its not that Ninjutsu is the best martial art IMO but that Ninjutsu instructors, or good martial artist, training for the right things, are the right times. Anyway.

about U.F.C

Yeah I plan someday in Entering that then, as Chen Taijiquan.

and I want the Kungfu People here to do so.

Lets train hard, this U.F.C is a sport with rules,

how do I adapt Tai Ji to fight in this competition sport,

I gone to start rigorous training, like Standing MEd, low stances, and speed, sensetivity and Fa-jing, stuff,

Standing Meditiaon and QI-Gong, makes you fast, but I know I’ll need to start training in the HEeavy Chen weapons to build strength. come on guys
I want all your advice.

I plan on developing a strong Qi skill, give me all you advice,
and dont stop.

Just keep it coming. Dont tell be I cant do it neither, I have snapped I cant take anymore of this “KUNGFU ISNT GOOD” crap anymore, so If I get em with Tai Ji one of the most misunderstood, Kungfus, I think this will be good for Kungfu artist of more respectable styles, like Wing Chun and San Shou.

wish me luck, I might go to Shaolin (for about a 6 months)before this. I am not sure yet.

Oh and BJJISTHEBEST, it would be something, if I say you there, in five years,

my name Andre Lashley, or Keith Andre Lashley.

Chen style Taijiquan

Stay real

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No real advice but the basics man, keep at it, and work hard. I practice wingchun and I am going to be tourney fighting in a year or two, and I am looking at being effective and doing it right. I wish you luck in your endeavor!

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GO GET EM!!!

Hell If I didn’t have two herniated disks, I’d be there with you!!!

One word of advice, once you have your foundation down well, cross train with your oposition’s styles, so you can learn how to best apply your Taiji Quan against it.

Also, come to Chicago and see Choi, he can really help in this type of situation.

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Wouldn’t that make him MMA then?

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MMA then…?

No, that just means that he knows his enemy. Would you say most BJJers know something about stand up fighting?

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Originally posted by Brad Souders
Wouldn’t that make him MMA then?

If he stay with that way too long, maybe. But if he just come up to prove a point and not going to stay there too long, definitly will not.

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Shadow–

Most BJJers are smart enough to realize that standing is not a strength of BJJ and crosstrain to solve that problem. We’re pretty open-minded, most of us (exceptions do abound) we would just like some evidence beyond anecdotes and 400 year old stories. Please don’t give me the ring is not the street argument. The kwoon isn’t either. Only the street is the street and it’s too **** hairy to go pick fights these days.

I’m not knocking any CMA–I’m trying to explain the MMA mindset, which you are free to agree or disagree with. There are many good and valid arguments for different viewpoints. It ultimately boils down to what emphasis you place where and why.

Guys like Shooter and his boys are helping provide good evidence. As always, my hat goes off to him.

BTW, I was BORN in Denton :slight_smile:

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If i think i’m reading your question right then. If the bjjers are sticking with sport bjj then not really, but if they are going to enter a MMA fight then they will have an understanding of the standup game. Its like Bustamante saying he is a pure BJJ player.
So say dogg enters this tourney after he gets his solid foundation down and after he quickly cross trains in other arts. And during the whole fight he dominates keeping it on the feet not allowing the grappler to close in and inone final attempt his oppenent gets him to the ground and dogg quick remembers that choke he saw while watching the other styles. So my question is did his primary art win or did his “mixing” of another arts win?

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Originally posted by Brad Souders
If i think i’m reading your question right then. If the bjjers are sticking with sport bjj then not really, but if they are going to enter a MMA fight then they will have an understanding of the standup game. Its like Bustamante saying he is a pure BJJ player.
So say dogg enters this tourney after he gets his solid foundation down and after he quickly cross trains in other arts. And during the whole fight he dominates keeping it on the feet not allowing the grappler to close in and inone final attempt his oppenent gets him to the ground and dogg quick remembers that choke he saw while watching the other styles. So my question is did his primary art win or did his “mixing” of another arts win?

CMA has ChinNa with the submission moves. ChinNa was added into many CMA styles. Cross training doesn’t mean that you must use other styles’ moves, you can make your own style’s moves to complete the purpose that rised by the other styles’ moves. Some situations CMA has not considered since the TCMA should required trainers to achieve certain level before teating their skills.

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Hey Brad-

When he said “crosstrain” I think he meant to sparr with other styles so he’ll learn how to utilize his taiji againts those styles, not to learn another art.

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Yup, that’s what I said alright.

If you want to be a purist, then you need to find skill from your Taji system that work against the MMA guys. Taji is pretty flexible, it shouldn’t be hard to do.

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Yeah, the proof is in the pudding. The few guys I worked with from BJJ and Sambo laughed when they tried to pronounce Shuai Chiao. After we played, they suggested I change the name to ‘Say Ow!’ 'cause dang, those throws hurt.

But they still squeezed me real good if (when!) they got me down. :smiley:

I’m past my competition age, but I encourage my students to give it a whirl when they are ready. I would have loved MMA competition in my fightin’ years. As CMA guys, we should be confident of walking into that ring. If we aren’t, we should rexamine our training preconceptions.

No shame in finding out in the ring. One of the guys in my line cross-trains in BJJ and is getting a rep for having really good stand-up skills. They don’t tell him ‘oh that’s not good, that’s not BJJ.’ Who cares? The training worked. Those last five words seem really important, yet highly ignored in the ‘style’ wars.

And oh - just about all the great Kung Fu fighters were ‘cross-trainers’. So what if it’s cross cultural? Too much baggage. We seem to be so busy carrying it, that we don’t have the strength left to fight.

That being said, I focus more on my knife skills than groundfighting - but my choice is based on personal experience. Everyone has different goals. Plenty of kung fu guys wouldn’t know how to knife fight either, because it’s not ‘traditional’. That, it their fault, not mine.

The gist of what I am saying is, identify your objectives. Train for them. Do not allow cultural prejudices get in the way of using what works best for you.

[And he steps off the soap box, asking his asistant for a beer.]

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Originally posted by PaulLin
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CMA has ChinNa with the submission moves. ChinNa was added into many CMA styles. Cross training doesn’t mean that you must use other styles’ moves, you can make your own style’s moves to complete the purpose that rised by the other styles’ moves. Some situations CMA has not considered since the TCMA should required trainers to achieve certain level before teating their skills. [/B]

First of all i dont think chin-na was added into CMA styles i believe it was there from the start!

Second of all i dont think CMA hasnt considered certain situations because the TCMA people should reach a certain skill level before testing their skill. Few CMA have say ground fighting forms but the forms are just demonstrations of proper applications of the way a style works. Not all the moves that could exist in a system. Take this analogy for instance when you learn a musical style you learn songs in the style however those songs are only parts of your musical style and more can be composed. Also pretty much every CMA has throws. If these throws were practical on other CMA people it would have been possible to fight people on the ground.

If this isnt true i guess Shoy Chiao is just a crappy martial art because it isnt possible to throw Any skilled CMA guy!

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asd

Also since taichi is based on principles i think its possible to integrate other styles moves into it.

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dre

Not knowing your much about your style but speaking from a WC perspective, remeber these principles. Speed beats power everytime. If I hit you ten times before you can land that one bomb I will confuse you and your senses.

But better technique can beat speed so make sure you have good technique and speed.

Don’t worry about power it will come as your technique improves.

Above all relax and remain calm you think more clearly and can fight better whether it is sparring, in the ring or on the street.

I ageree with R5A stick to the basics. In WC it’s all in the basics.

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The ideas are already contained in Tai Chi Chuan which allow its players to adapt their push-hands accordingly, but it requires a proper balance and organization.

-You need a coach who understands Tai Chi and Chi Kung equally as well as they understand the sport and how it’s evolving.

-Then you need training partners who can apply pressure to your Tai Chi in the same basic manner that MMA players will.

A Tai Chi school which can provide that type of learning environment is a rare thing.

Best of luck.

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Dogg, remember that it’s all about center. in any technique the first thing that moves should be center.

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hands MonkeySlap Too his beer, waves Shooter over for drink.

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I admire your determination but you’d have to do kung fu quite long to be able to really fight with it. You maynot even use any push hands skills in UFC.

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Do tons of full contact sparing. And remember to eat lots of lightning and cr@p an ample amount of thunder.