And I used kung fu..
Dude stepped
I slapped him
He left…
Good cma
What kind of slap was it? Was there internal power to it? Was it open hand or close hand slap? Front or back hand? Was any fajing used? Was it just physical strength? What caused this?
[i][SIZE=4]Did the fight go to the ground?![/SIZE][/i]
Originally posted by PHILBERT
[i][SIZE=4]Did the fight go to the ground?![/SIZE][/i]
Tee-hee! If the BJJ guys are still lurking, you’ll probably hear something like, “If it didn’t go to the ground, it must not’ve been a real fight.”
Of course, if a little slap stopped the whole the whole thing, then I’d tend to agree.
A Little SLap… no such thing..
Did I mention the dude spilled my pimp juice. That made it to the ground.
Originally posted by Samurai Jack
[B]Tee-hee! If the BJJ guys are still lurking, you’ll probably hear something like, “If it didn’t go to the ground, it must not’ve been a real fight.”
Of course, if a little slap stopped the whole the whole thing, then I’d tend to agree. [/B]
the mis-conception that a Kung Fu artist can’t handle himself on the ground ****es me off so much. I am now a student of BJJ but the hype that the Gracies put on ground fighting ****es me off. The ground is a range of combat and everyone should learn to fight there IMHO, however it is NOT the be all end all. Due to the Gracies, boasting, Kung Fu has been laughed at by the majority of MMA fighters. It has also been said by many a BJJ artist, that BJJ can always overcome Kung Fu. I was actually falling into that mindset until my Sifu patiently explained to me time and time again, it’s not the art but the fighter. I understood, but it never sank in. That is until my Sifu actually overcame a BJJ fighter at his own game. The friendly match, was based on the ground with no striking and only submissions. No point system. Not only did my Sifu have the BJJ practitioner, in many a comprimising postitions but he also submitted the BJJ artist 3 times. While the BJJ artist was relatively helpless. This BJJ artist doesn’t train by rank but I have gone up against him and he is a very good ground fighter. This is not to say that Kung Fu is now better than BJJ, but it is just to show that it is not the art, but the artist that makes the difference.
Originally posted by pedro_sanchez
Due to the Gracies, boasting, Kung Fu has been laughed at by the majority of MMA fighters.
Who cares what anyone else says. You do what you do. I absolutely love your signiture BTW, it perfectly encapsulates my entire self-defense philosophy and pretty much says it all… Get REALLY good at what you do, and use it in a fight.
My old Kungfu Sifu told me this great story about a friend of his who never trained in a fighting system at all. The guy was a cement-mixer in Canton. He would stand knee deep in cement for hours everyday using the churning of his legs to keep the cement from setting. Sifu said his thighs were about as big around as an average man’s waist. One day a horse went berserk in the middle of a crowded marketplace and started charging around biting and kicking innocent bystanders. When the horse got to Sifu’s cement-mixer friend, the guy kicked the horse in the throat so hard he killed it. Sifu said that later some of his Kungfu brothers got mad at him and accused him of teaching the cement-mixer in secret, but the guy had never set foot in a kungfu class in his life.
That’s my favorite martial arts story of all time.
Originally posted by Samurai Jack
[B]Who cares what anyone else says. You do what you do. I absolutely love your signiture BTW, it perfectly encapsulates my entire self-defense philosophy and pretty much says it all… Get REALLY good at what you do, and use it in a fight.
My old Kungfu Sifu told me this great story about a friend of his who never trained in a fighting system at all. The guy was a cement-mixer in Canton. He would stand knee deep in cement for hours everyday using the churning of his legs to keep the cement from setting. Sifu said his thighs were about as big around as an average man’s waist. One day a horse went berserk in the middle of a crowded marketplace and started charging around biting and kicking innocent bystanders. When the horse got to Sifu’s cement-mixer friend, the guy kicked the horse in the throat so hard he killed it. Sifu said that later some of his Kungfu brothers got mad at him and accused him of teaching the cement-mixer in secret, but the guy had never set foot in a kungfu class in his life.
That’s my favorite martial arts story of all time. [/B]
very cool story dude. How did he kick the horse in the neck btw. Was it a regular “street” kick, or a “specialized” kick. He must have has some great accuracy, if it was a crazed horse. And that is some strong legs strength. But then he worked with cement, so his leg muscles would be very developed.
And I dont really care what anyone says, especially the Gracies. But when you hear it over and over it kinda gets annoying. It’s like dropping water on your forehead. At first you dont mind, but after a while, each drop begins to sound like a bomb going off.
I’ve never been taken to the ground in any of my “real” fights. Is that to say that it won’t ever happen? No, of course not! But it sure goes against the saying that ALL fights go to the ground. Anything that is so absolute is obviously incorrect, because nothing is absolute except death.
So with that being said…I studied BJJ for a while a couple years back to see what all the hubbub was about. To be honest…it did help me in my confidence level on the ground, and only a couple guys there had the ability to “easily” take me down (granted I wasn’t allowed to play my game, only theirs - so no striking or chin na or shuia jiao). I do think it’s something everyone should get a taste of at the very least.
And in reference to all the internal fa jing stuff…gimme a break man, he smacked the guy and that was the end of it. All techniques should contain some form of fa jing or vibrating energy. It’s what differentiates a weak hit from a stong one. As far as internal to external, you hit anyone hard enough and it will cause internal damage. No need to believe in fairy tales.
“This BJJ artist doesn’t train by rank but I have gone up against him and he is a very good ground fighter. This is not to say that Kung Fu is now better than BJJ, but it is just to show that it is not the art, but the artist that makes the difference.”
OK…so how is he a BJJ artist if he doesn’t train with a BJJ ranked school? And how can you judge that he is a good ground fighter unless you have trained with a ranked BJJ guy? Yes…the artist makes a difference especially if he’s not trained in the ART.
Originally posted by LEGEND
[B]“This BJJ artist doesn’t train by rank but I have gone up against him and he is a very good ground fighter. This is not to say that Kung Fu is now better than BJJ, but it is just to show that it is not the art, but the artist that makes the difference.”
OK…so how is he a BJJ artist if he doesn’t train with a BJJ ranked school? And how can you judge that he is a good ground fighter unless you have trained with a ranked BJJ guy? Yes…the artist makes a difference especially if he’s not trained in the ART. [/B]
He has been training in BJJ for over a year now and has never wanted to go for grading. I am currently a practitioner in BJJ aswell, so I know how it feels to practice with a seasoned BJJ artist. Our teacher is cool and he won’t force grading on you. He will still teach techniques to you obviously and you still progress in the art.
There’s no need for sarcasm or to be snooty budz. The school we train in (I train with the BJJ dude), is lineaged under Marcus Soares. And I mean a direct lineage, he is the instructor’s, instructor.
Nice NP. was it a b*tch slap?
Originally posted by pedro_sanchez
He has been training in BJJ for over a year now and has never wanted to go for grading. I am currently a practitioner in BJJ aswell, so I know how it feels to practice with a seasoned BJJ artist. Our teacher is cool and he won’t force grading on you.
Most legit BJJ schools don’t do “grading”. The instructor pretty much just throws the belt at you when he thinks you are ready to be at that belt level. If he hasn’t received a higher belt, then he is still at white belt level.
Originally posted by Knifefighter
Most legit BJJ schools don’t do “grading”. The instructor pretty much just throws the belt at you when he thinks you are ready to be at that belt level. If he hasn’t received a higher belt, then he is still at white belt level.
maybe I just didn’t make myself clear. He doesn’t want the rank. He is totally set against ranks. So am I. We see rank as not a representation as skill level.
I personally have no with to be ever called Master/Sifu, Sensei, Sigong, Shihan, Shidoshi, anything. But if that is what you all wish to think, that my boy had/has, no skill then go ahead. It matters not.
Originally posted by pedro_sanchez
maybe I just didn’t make myself clear. He doesn’t want the rank. He is totally set against ranks. So am I. We see rank as not a representation as skill level.
Sorry, but my BS meter is going off. Having been in the BJJ scene for 10 years now, I have a pretty good idea how things work. It doesn’t matter whether or not someone "wants’ the rank. The instructor just hands him a belt at the end of the class when the student’s skill level demonstrates that he is at that belt level. The student has no say in whether or not he wants the rank.
Originally posted by pedro_sanchez
We see rank as not a representation as skill level.
Really? You train at a BJJ school and you don’t see the diffence between the different belt ranks as far as BJJ ground skills? What different belt levels have you grappled against?
Originally posted by pedro_sanchez
I personally have no with to be ever called Master/Sifu, Sensei, Sigong, Shihan, Shidoshi, anything.
How do most of the students at your BJJ school address your instructor?
Well mr Knifefighter, I like that you have so much time to disect my posts. And your BS meter is going of eh? Good for you. I should get one of those, I think I’ll check Best Buy. Or maybe it’s a secret you learned from one of Ashida Kim’s books.
As far as ranking goes. I have encountered many a BJJ artist. Very good friends with them. But it seems that seeing you’ve been on the “scene” for 10 years make all of your experiences gospel. right?
A lot of reputable schools dont just throw a belt at you. There are some BJJ schools that grade through tournaments.
I have nothing agains the belt rankings, in any school. I personally dont train for a rank. I have grappled a couple of brown belts and got my ass whooped. I have no shame saying I got beat. I have grappled beginners. I have also grappled a blue belt Judoka. I am not here to write a resume to apply to Knifefighter Inc. So I will not go further as to who I grapple.
I have respect for the Masters etc. I call my Sifu, Sifu and his first name. I call my BJJ instructor by his first name. I call my JKD instrucor by his first name. I respect these men, because they dont require the title. I said I have no wish to be called a Master or Sigong. I only train for my betterment.
Once again mr knifefighter (fitting name seeing you cut up posts). I have nothing but respect for the ranks, it’s just they are not for me. I also have nothing against BJJ seeing I have decided to train in it. and btw, I personally, have not trained that long in bjj. Only about 3mths or so.
BTW my Sifu didn’t challenge my buddy. My buddy challenged my Sifu. He’s was always singing about how BJJ can dub Kung Fu on the ground, and he challenged my Sifu to a friendly grapple match.
Take what you will, I understand you are defensive about your art. I will however not indulge your posturing n e more. I came on this forum to enjoy the learn more and discuss about Kung Fu. Seeing this is after all Kungfumagazine.com.
This post prob extinguished your “BS” meter or set it buzzing so loud it disrubts your night. Either way, I dont have or want to prove n e thing to you or anyone else. So I stand down to you and say you know it all.
Originally posted by pedro_sanchez
I was actually falling into that mindset until my Sifu patiently explained to me time and time again, it’s not the art but the fighter. I understood, but it never sank in.
If it is the fighter rather than the art, why are you spending your money to learn BJJ? Taking BJJ is not cheap. Why not just learn grappling from your sifu? After all he did beat a one year white belt, which is actually a pretty good accomplishment.
I am taking this like it’s a genuine question.
I learn Kung Fu from my Sifu. We dont go to the ground alot. I like grappling, it gives me a great workout, and I dont come out with lumps or get punched in the face on a regular. I like the sparring (grappling) with a partner, I learn a lot of great holds and like I said get a great workout. Besides BJJ is the art for ground techniques. My Sifu encourages me to explore other arts. To “find” my Kung Fu.
I do learn Kung Fu ground fighting from my Sifu, btw. I am not a full time student of BJJ. I take it once to three times a week. I train 2wice a week in JKD and the rest with my Sifu. Kung Fu is my base art. I dont pay my Sifu, and the JKD and BJJ schools are not money grabbers. They teach because they love to teach and they each love to share their art. The JKD school I go to is more of a club n e ways.
My training is for me to find my kung fu. Find my way of fighting. I am still very young in the Martial arts. I’ve only done boxing b4, the other arts for a little over 4 yrs.
TBH to go into my training is very lengthy, and I dont like typing for long. It is not my wish to be your adversary Knifefighter. Like I said I came to this forum to learn. I love discussing martial arts. You say you have 10 years of experience in BJJ and I would like if I can learn from you. I extend my hand to you in friendship.
OK, then… let’s turn this into a productive thread.
Theoretically, in a grappling only match, a person with one year’s worth of training in BJJ should be able to beat, or at least hold his own against, someone who doesn’t specialize in ground work. Since your training partner had been training in BJJ for a year, he should have at least been able to hang with your sifu, who doesn’t really specialize in ground grappling.
From a grappler’s perspective what do you think your training partner did wrong?
What things did your he try that didn’t work?
What kinds of positions did your instructor have on him?
What submissions did he finish him with?