However if you find your way to my school before my rehab I will school you.
That’s pretty confident talk (it’s always talk talk talk with the cma) for a guy who started the post listing his age and his injuries.
I hope your surgery is a success and your healing time is quick.
Today, is a good day to die.
listen up Shaolin tiger I’m just being honest, Just ask Dave Ross about my injury I’m not one to make excuses. I have nothing to prove my rep is already etched in stone. Only a fool who is unsure of his abilities would step into the ring injured.
I’m not going to let anyone try to jap my rep when I’m injured, its funny peole size me up watch me walk and automatically think they have the advantage. They forget with age comes wisdom, that’s when I have to school some of these young guys that think they can take advantage of my situation.
I have no idea who you are, your age or the condition of your health.
you said “I find most other styles to be rudimental and limmited.” and I say then show us how great you are by fighting.
I can understand that a guy of your age probably doesn’t want to fight anymore.
The guy in black is obviously a boxer or former boxer. You can tell by the way he plants so heavy on the front leg and lifts the heel of his back foot . That makes for powerful punches but the competition they are in is San Shou, not boxing.
The tall guy missed an opportunity to attack the boxers leading leg with all the weight on it.Boxing is a one-dimensional sport where you don’t have to worry about somebody kicking your legs out from under you, that’s why you can get away with planting so heavy on the lead leg. San Shou has many more dimensions and isn’t so forgiving to errors in balance.
Another observation, the boxer has a bad habit of turning his back on the opponent after the point is scored. That’s definitley not something you want to be doing on the street.
Shaolin tiger I’ve already proven myself in the past, and I’m speaking from past experience. I have been teaching and operating martial art schools since I was 17 and have about 34 years exdperience. I am very well respected in the martial arts community here in NY.
The fact is no matter how many fights I’ve had there is always someone calling me to test my skill. I may be 40 but I still like to fight I’m just injured right now unfortunatly there is nothing I can do about that.
If you were to come to my school like I’ve said to other people I woul be more than happy to move around with you to show you how my style works. But to start training for a publick match one month before my surgery well that just silly don’t you think.
Tell you what match me up with someone my age with a simmilar handicap and I’m there. After all you would’t take a light weight and match him up with a heavy weight would you??
Especially since I’m trying to prove a point.
I’ve already proven myself in the past, and I’m speaking from past experience. I have been teaching and operating martial art schools since I was 17 and have about 34 years exdperience. I am very well respected in the martial arts community here in NY.
What full contact events have you won? Which MMA fights did you win?
You’re “respect” probably comes from the tcma crowd that thinks point sparring is fighting.
If you were to come to my school
I’m not interested in playing, I want to see you fight in an MMA event.
Tell you what match me up with someone my age with a simmilar handicap and I’m there. After all you would’t take a light weight and match him up with a heavy weight would you??
I’ve got a few guys who are 34+ years old. What is your weight? I want to make this fight happen!
Take it easy there Jhony come lately, You got some one that realy wants to fight me?? Even If they do win what does that prove. What will people say Hmm that guy who is six years younger without injuries beat the kung fu guy with the bum leg. Yea that will prove that MMA is better than CMA, Pay attention son I said find me someone that’s 40 years old and who has a handicap.
Seriously you should stick to cow tipping, I hear that’s a blast if youre from Ohio. You need some respect for your elders and a lesson in humility. Did your daddy beat you??
Oh by the way shaolin kitty if you want me to do anything that takes me away from my school it’s going to cost ya. I don’t work for free and I’m certainly not cheap, I got bills to pay. You probably still live with mommy and daddy baba mama.
As far as being respected in the CMA community your right those guy are for real and it takes a long time to earn there respect. MMA how old is that 10 years or so, do you think I spent my life in the persuit of kung fu to get aproval from the mixed MA communityLO****ingL.greencloud.net
35 year old I want you if you can’t meet my request. Guys like you give me a reason to get out of bed. Listen up home boy I will get past my injury and I will fight you. You will find out why you should respect your elders, come at me before I rehab and I’l snap your head off your shoulders.
The problem with MMA is that it brings out all the bullies, no morals no ethics and no respect. I will treat you with extreme prejudice. consider this a lesson or a woopin. Oh yea this isn’t a reality show the doors will be shut and there will be no spectators this is NY not Ohio.
I love this.
I ask a legitamate question, since you’re so sure that your training is the real deal why you did not fight.
You explained your age and your health problems and I politely wished you speedy recovery. even though you offered wanted to “school me”
You said you’ve proved in the past that you were a fighter and I asked which full contact fights you’ve won and if you’ve ever fought in MMA. I got no reply.
I also informed you that I do know guys age 35+ with injuries (who doesn’t if they’re training at this age right?) who would like to fight and I made another offer to set up a fight, of course after you’ve had the time to recover.
You whine about a 6 year age difference, (comical considering I fight guys 10+ years younger than me all the time.)
and then you make a lame joke about rural Ohio (not that you know anything about me or that I’ve got a master’s degree and lived in Washington DC for 15 years)
You insult my father (who I’m certain could literally crush you and he wouldn’t whine that he’s 14 years older..)
and then talk about humility and respect!!!
next post.. - you make a lame joke about a forum name. You whine about being paid, (which I noted much earlier that I’d arrange a pro mma fight for you and you’d get paid!) guess you weren’t paying attention?
You rant about respect in the CMA community but still ignored my question regarding your record of the fact that it’s quite obvious that respect in the TMA is usually gained thru politics, etc.. not legit fighting skills.
So now we’re on to the last post and you want to fight me. That’ cool, I suggested that about a page ago before I knew your age/injuries.
I’d be happy to fight you in a pro MMA fight. please give me your weight class info, etc and a date which you’ll be ready and I’ll try to find a promoter to make it happen! None of this secret backroom junk, let’s let the world know what kind of guy you think you really are.
another Ohio crack, as apparently all Ohioans are some sheltered cowards. Sorry my urban friend but while I grew up a hard working farm boy, I lived in the heart of Chocolate City for a very long time and I’m no stranger to the ghetto. I’ve spent many nights boxing at Finley’s and Sugar Ray’s being the only cracker crazy enough to be in the room let alone the ring.
oh and BTW: LMAO @ a guy from Long Island talking trash about being tough.
Listen Shaolin Tiger I don’t know your dad so I was not making fun of him, I gather you’re younger than me and was implying that you might have such issues. As far as my fights I have had many of them, unfortunately back in the day there were no such venues. Those kind of fights were called pit fights and all tournaments kung fu or karate tourneys were full contact.
I simply sugested that you and me get down if we have the chance. You wana fly me out fine. But even if you beat me it still doesn’t prove anything, since I’m injured. As far as setting up fights I don’t need you for that we are in the process of setting up our own venues.
It will probably get a lot of publicity cripple guy vrs. young wipper snap. I weigh about 165 that’s before cutting weight. Any way you think right now you got an easy win that’s the only reason you want to set this fight up before my recovery.
As far as wishing me a fast recovery, You took it back then said lets make this happen now. You just sound like a bully that’s trying to take advantage of a situation.
You guys come out of the wood working with this MMA crap when guys like me pioneered CMA when no one knew about it. I have already explained to 7* that this is the reason why CMA simply don’t associate with guys like you.
It’s called respect how would you like it if I called your dad out. As far as a closed door match that’s how sifu’s that are called out do it. No I’m not going to play by your rules. You wanna fight ok I’m looking foward to it, hey I know let’s televise it win or loose I’m still going to come out on top and your just going to look like the bully that you really are.
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Hay potato boy If i was yo i would show some respect,sifu gus is a great fighter and a great sifu,if i was you i would watch what you wish for before you get hert,I have bin traning traditional kung fu fo 5 years both nothern and sothern,and on top of that I was a all state wrestler,and a 2 time new york state wrestling champ,and I hace attended sevrel camps in ohio and no plenty of ncaa1 guys from ohio.. I would be more than happy to mix it up with you,you dont want to bring trouble with the new york kung fu community it would not be in your best intrest i can tell you that
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sifu gus,these people are white trash with no respect,I have wrestled my hole life and am also great with my hands and feet no prob mixing it up with any one,lets see 8 years of greco roman and frestle wrestling and 5 years of kung fu traning or some mma guy who thinks he can get people to tap. hay ohio boy,Ontop of bring ing trouble your way with the kung fu community,i also have famley in besinherst new york and as kids we also tranied mma it’s called street fighting something im sure you dont have on the cow field you disrespecful punk get of the kung fu forum if you havent checked it’s kung fu people retart
Man I hate this crap.
Green Cloud - the reason 7 is frustrated is because he’s saying this:
“Fighting looks like fighting. There’s a good reason for this. Principles transcend stylistic boundaries.”
you are saying
“Kung Fu is unique and special in the way it translates to fighting.”
Ok, well, yeah. BJJ is unique and special. Boxing is unique and special. Wrestling is unique and special. Yoga is unique and special.
And if everything is unique and special, then nothing is.
On the other hand, if TCMA is genuinely unique and special, then there should be something demonstrable about that unique specialness.
And if that is in fact the claim, then it is quite legitimate to say “prove it.” There might be myriad reasons why somebody might not care to prove it. Some of those reasons may be actual reasons, others may be excuses. But the question itself is more than valid.
I’ve sparred guys from all different types of backgrounds. When reviewing the tape, it all looks like fighting. You can identify preferences sure, both personal and stylistic - but preferences is all they are.
A “style” is nothing more than an approach to fighting. It’s a collection of preferred methods for solving a problem. Nothing more.
Prefering one set of advantages and disadvantages over another is one thing. Declaring one set unique and special is another. And if the latter is the case, it must be demonstrably so.
As of right now, I’ve seen nothing to convince me of the special uniqueness of ANYTHING. In fact, what I have witnessed over time has convinced me that physical activities are more alike than different. I do what I do not because I think it’s special and unique or the best, but because I enjoy it very very much. I happen to want to be very very good at it, but I also really wanted to nail down throwing the discus too.
A throw is a throw is a throw.
A punch is a punch is a punch.
A kick is a kick is a kick.
It’s not style that makes it work, it’s good mechanics. And those good mechanics are not unique to the style but to the TOOL AND ITS PURPOSE. A hard roundkick designed to knock somebody’s leg in two is going to follow through with a turned over hip, regardless of whether it’s in Kenpo/Muay Thai/TKD. If you are using a chambered snap kick, the purpose of that kick is different, and it will look different, but that’s not because of style - it’s because the tool is for something different.
Are there going to be slight stylistic differences in recovery, follow-up or follow-through? Probably. But the fundamental mechanics are going to be nearly identical because they have to be. Flying Mare, one arm shoulder throw, Seio Nage. No difference really. If you know one, you know the other.
To sum up: The sooner we get over style, the better off we will all be. But as long as people want to use the term style as a term that inspires loyalty, vice a short hand for how we tend to approach fighting, we’ll be having these arguments till the cows come home.
In Ohio 
Loyalty to the team? Yup. To the guys? Yup. To the instructor? Yup. And all of those are conditional on them deserving it.
But to the “style?” Why? To what purpose?
Don’t get me wrong, I’ll be the first to declare something is unique and special if evidence comes forward that it is. But until then, I think I’m going to remain skeptical.
Like I’ve said in the past MP yup what ever you say. I’m not trying to take away from any style. I just found my home in kung fu and I am trying to mantain some sort of Ideal. Grappling is grappling, punching is punching and so forth, but kung fu deals with physics and just gives you an edge.
I’m not trying to say That if you know kung fu you are a better fighter it depends on the person. I am trying to establish that San shou is a chinese martial art and that is our version of mixed martial arts. There are unique ways of training and fighting in San Shou. I just hate when the rest of the world tries to loop it into something it’s not like mui tai or kick boxing. It is it’s own unique style and I am willing to prove it, even if Shaolin Tiger has the advantage wich he is obiously exploiting.
Any way I don’t mind having these debates, I do mind when some punk kid with too much testostarone tries to take advantage and jap me. I will fight this guy one way or the other. Even if I do win it will get swept under the rug and credit won’t be given it will dissapear as fast as this thread.
I don’t know how many fights have you had MP can you list them or did they happen so long ago that it doesn’t matter. Your only as good as your last fight, but how long does one have to fight for??? There will always be new venues even after we die what are we supposed to do rise from our grave and prove our selves again. Obviously these MMA guys have no respect for someones accomplishments if it’s not MMA.
If my guy TJ goes down and recks this guy than there going to say aaam Greencloudtj has wrestling exp. so that doesn’t count.
Kung Le goes into the UFC and his 20 some odd years of San Shou doesn’t count, POOF he is MMA because in colledge he competed in wrestling.
What I’m not allowed to try to keep on pluging away for the sake of kung fu. I might as well go out of buiss. why would anybody want to do kung fu than. You guys don’t know what’s at stake here you don’t run a kung fu school.
I will fight everyone on this site to prove my point I don’t care.
why kung fu doesn’t work in ring fight and ufc fights!
simple thats not what kung fu is meant for. kung fu is meant for real life, it’s designed for kill or be killed situations. when china (nationalist china) held it’s first kung fu comptition i think it was in the 1940’s i’m not to sure on the date, they had to stop it because people were getting killed and or maimed. kung fu is not meant for compition like all tma it’s meant for real life…
what’s the point of the tough talk?
i mean i think ST00’s big comment is “hey, the sport fighting community could really use some good examples of kungfu, so if you got it and it’s so different than what’s out there, then why don’t you put it out in the public eye? please don’t be another one of those cma guys who spends years on end talking, but puts forward no fighters.”
In response, all I see is stuff like “okay let’s fight” and veiled threats that the NY kung fu community’s gonna come after ST00. News flash, ST00 ain’t young, he came up in kung fu, and he’s seen a good amount of stuff. I’ve seen him sparring san shou, boxing, and wrestling; he’s got skill in all of 'em.
I don’t think he’s doubting you so much as asking you to put the skill out there if you got it.
i dunno this thread degenerated into the silly long ago.
coughbull crapcough
you are not adding anything insightful to this thread. that’s enough of the instigation
you grammar is awful. obviously, kung fu doesn’t help that.
“these people”? wtf is that? and how can a black guy be white trash?
nobody cares about where your fam is from. really.
this forum is public. It is not for cma people only. Not only that, but the majority of the people he has been addressing on this thread DO have a cma background.
It’s kinda ironic that you call someone a retard and yet you spelled it wrong…