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don’t believe me look it up! matter of fact i don’t even know why i answered this post it’s stupid who **** cares about who can foght and who can’t since it all depends on the individual not the style. i was just reading all the post posted and this was a real childish arguement, please stop with the bull****. if you can fight good if you can’t well tought titty for you. blah i’m done with this nonsense!!!
7star,
may i ask why you feel there are no “real gung fu people” out here?
are you only asking from a “ring fighter” point of view?
I don’t consider myself “real” gung fu fighter, first and foremost i am a martial art survivalist. which in my book means i teach my students how to protect themselves in “real life” situations. I train my students with the whole mindset of whats out there on the streets. see, everyday where i live having the ability to fight well is a must or you can get eaten alive. Out here, violent confrontations are a dime a dozen, so unfortunately unlike professional fighters who don’t work and train 6-8 hours a day, we have a very different reality.
if anyone trains 6-8 hours a day you can be remarkable. but once again we have a different reality.
but you can’t say Kung Fu is completely ineffective because as i’ve stated many times here, my student used his choy lee fut against 6 guys with knives and screwdrivers. and he is still with me because what i taught him worked for him. so kung fu is real good for real life combat, maybe not ring fighting, but out on the streets it works, and thats fine for me.
i just want to know why do you hate so much on kung fu?
just conversing, so don’t attack.
hsk
this is what MP and I are talking about. What is this edge of which you speak?
I’m not trying to say That if you know kung fu you are a better fighter it depends on the person. I am trying to establish that San shou is a chinese martial art and that is our version of mixed martial arts. There are unique ways of training and fighting in San Shou. I just hate when the rest of the world tries to loop it into something it’s not like mui tai or kick boxing. It is it’s own unique style and I am willing to prove it, even if Shaolin Tiger has the advantage wich he is obiously exploiting.
nobody is saying san shou is muay thai. we are saying that cung le is not a pure san shou guy. He has been wrestling since he was 13. Why is that so hard for you to understand?
Obviously these MMA guys have no respect for someones accomplishments if it’s not MMA.
notice he said what events, full contact or mma have you won - not just mma. he’s asking what venues- period, not just mma - that you’ve done.
What I’m not allowed to try to keep on pluging away for the sake of kung fu. I might as well go out of buiss. why would anybody want to do kung fu than. You guys don’t know what’s at stake here you don’t run a kung fu school.
plugging away for kung fu is fine. But you can’t give kung fu total credit if it’s not totally due. That’s fraudulent. And the CMA world already has enough of that.
I will fight everyone on this site to prove my point I don’t care.
I have yet to see a point…
A mind is a terrible thing to waste and people need to educate themselves better before posting…
The Nanjing tournament is but one example of how BS so rapidly gets spread in TCMA circles
Did they stop the tournament after the first round? YES
Did they stop it because of deadly whirlwind kung fu maiming and killing? NO
Absolutely NOT
After one round most of the participants were injured, in large part because of 1) how poorly conditioned they were and 2) because they injured themselves because they had so little sparring/fighting experience
Just like early UFC’s where people who didn’t know how to punch bare knuckle ended up breaking their hands
IN general, threads like this are RETARDED (note sp) and I try not to post on them. But I do like to correct such obviously erroneous information
your right just shut your face and do some reserch punk
your right just shut your face and do some reserch punk
your right just shut your face and do some reserch punk
7star,
may i ask why you feel there are no “real gung fu people” out here?
are you only asking from a “ring fighter” point of view?
I don’t consider myself “real” gung fu fighter, first and foremost i am a martial art survivalist. which in my book means i teach my students how to protect themselves in “real life” situations. I train my students with the whole mindset of whats out there on the streets. see, everyday where i live having the ability to fight well is a must or you can get eaten alive. Out here, violent confrontations are a dime a dozen, so unfortunately unlike professional fighters who don’t work and train 6-8 hours a day, we have a very different reality.
if anyone trains 6-8 hours a day you can be remarkable. but once again we have a different reality.
but you can’t say Kung Fu is completely ineffective because as i’ve stated many times here, my student used his choy lee fut against 6 guys with knives and screwdrivers. and he is still with me because what i taught him worked for him. so kung fu is real good for real life combat, maybe not ring fighting, but out on the streets it works, and thats fine for me.
i just want to know why do you hate so much on kung fu?
just conversing, so don’t attack.
hsk
No attacks from me. I didn’t say there were no real kung fu people - I think you may have missed part of the thread - or maybe it was discussed in the other mma/cma thread. I was addressing what kung fu guys state all the time - that the kung fu guys who competed in past mma events were not REAL cma. So this naturally sparks a queston - “where are the REAL guys?”
pros dont train 6-8 hours a day.
I live in an area that is just as bad. Not only that, but I have a night job as a bouncer. not only do I have fights several nights per week, I get death threats and run the risk of seeing hostile people that I ejected every day when I am at the grocery store, walking the street, etc. Consequently, the possibility of me getting atacked is much higher than the average person.
nobody on this thread has said that kung fu is completely ineffective.
I don’t have on cma at all - I used to train it. I hate on some of these people who make statements such as “those weren’t real kung fu guys” or “kung fu has something special that no other art has”. Kung fu is fighting, just like anything else. it’s no more special than muay thai or sumo…
R-E-S-E-A-R-C-H…
and your should be you’re - a contraction for you are. 
I think that the problem is that CMA is an open hand system meant for street combat, but CMA street cred. is always being chalenged. Everytime MMA chalenge kung fu efectivness they ask us to put on gloves and leave most of the arsenal that makes kung fu effective outside of the ring. Then we are asked to play by their rules.
Realy what does that prove??? that a MMA can beat a CMA by his rules how come they are never willing to step into our arena of combat or even tournaments. Kung fu is not a sport when it comes to fighting. How stupid is it for a tiger claw stylist to put on gloves?? That’s like declawing a cat. When it came to shaolin tigers request I told the truth hey I’m 40 I’m injured but if it’s a fight you want it’s got to be on my terms, close door and open hand.
Since I am injured I can’t rely on my athletic ability so I’m gonna have to use my bag of tricks. ST scoffed at that and said no way man it’s got to be a pay per view event and in the ring. But In NY and in the Kung FU communitty that is proper ediquite.
If someone tries to soil my rep and take food out of my mouth I’m go na have to kill that guy. That’s just how it is. And before you tell me where you live seven I grew up in the projects and have worked real hard all my life to get out and live in the white mans world.
**** selling out I like my house in the burbs and oh yea I bounced in bars for years I never bragged about it. It was something I had to do for money in order to support my Kwoon and my dreams.
Oh yea, I certainly didn’t have the time to waste on this forum moderating and pseudo intelectualizing. I’m just here for therapy since I’m injured. Ask ross I’m computer iliterate and have never been a member in a public forum.
Most of my time has been spent learning kung fu, teaching kung fu and thriving in competition.
I am that kung fu guy that can fight and everyone in the new york area knows that. My replie to anyone that questions my abilities is let me show you. It’s always on my terms.
Since I’m accepting chalenges Are you going to fight me also seven. If its now well it will be open hand, But if you can wait till my Re hab I’l fight you guys using your silly restrictions and rules. When I’m not injured I am an ausome athlete so I have no problems putting on the gloves.
Don’t worry about backing me up Ross Just set up the fights. Oh yea let these guys know that I’m the fighter in the group and that I’m dead serious. You know how I roll.
As far as getting a reputation threw politics ask around I’m far from politicaly correct.
Seven and another thing I train fighters not english teachers so can we stop with the petty teasing when it come to grammar and spelling.
Jesus christ. The same exact “points” are being argued in this thread as in the Cung Le thread. Now we’re arguing over what’s unique? Shouldn’t that be obvious? On the surface it may look similar, but no, boxers do not look like kickboxers or like san shou guys or like muay thai guys or like Judo guys. As to whether someone sticks to their gameplan in a fight, that has more to do with emotion than anything else. Even an Oscar Delahoya or a James Toney can look like a brawler with the right emotional triggers. Because contrary to whatever is being preached in this thread, there are times when fighters don’t use their ‘styles’(I’d even say most of the time), and it’s all mental. Mike Tyson and Lennox Lewis fighting at the weigh in? No boxing there, no “elusive aggression”. Just one guy trying to hit another on a really primitive emotional level, nothing deeper than “I want to hurt you. I will now throw my arm at you as hard as I can.” The hope of any style (western boxing and chinese martial arts included) is to transcend crud like that. To at the most use emotion as fuel, and allow logic,reason, and a ****load of training to guide technique.
San Shou is a modern thing, a modern sport. So while you may not see finger jabs, crane stances, ginger fists, ankle kicks or whatever the crap fits your vision of gung fu, you’re still seeing chinese martial sports, which like EVERY OTHER COMBAT SPORT are influenced by other similar ring sports ike Boxing and Muay Thai. I have to question whether you’ll ever see textbook chinese martial arts in a ring. It’s just not meant for that, it HAS to be altered. But of course, every style has to be altered to fit a sport context, so why slag on the chinese stylist for this?
Muay Thai doesn’t look like Muay Boran, Sport boxing isn’t like the boxing meant for the battlefield, Judo is not like the Jujitsu meant for the battlefield, etc etc etc. Why is that? It’s obvious. It’s not about effectiveness, it’s a question of morality ie good sportsmanship. Sure, we could be like the ancient greeks and have exceedingly violent to the death free for alls where fighters from any system could blind,kill, and maim each other all in the name of sport, but get the feck outta here. This is the modern world okay, There aren’t gonna be any Tiger guys scratching people up and grabbing various testicles. We aren’t going to have sports where fighters are attacking each others most vunerable spots ectetera etcetera for some arcane version of pride or a few thousand bucks. . Only two men can get away with that, Tim Sylvia, and Chuck Lidell. I really wish people would get rid of this idea that modern competition is what proves the worth of a set of techniques. As great and entertaining and as valuable as they are, they are not the point of it all. If they were, they wouldn’t be new.
Speaking of Jesus Christ tomorow is Greek Easter and I’m having a Lamb Roast wich takes president to this Useless thread.
Well, sell some tickets and fire up the camera and shut everyone up once and for all!
How many times has that happened, killer? :rolleyes:
I’m sure.:eek:
I just caught that I bounced in bras, HMM I wonder what I was thinking, get it Bounced in bras, lol no one picked up on that exept for unkokusai, I guess maybe I thought I was a Boob. LOL:o
Fine green cloud,
Then I will use the all-purpose phrase as well.
“Whatever you say.”
Not much in the way of useful, but it seems to be your prefered response/mindset. Personally, I don’t have anything against CMA being unique and special. I just haven’t seen anything that’s convinced me otherwise.
Bottom Line: As long as you (generic, not YOU) keep saying that CMA is special and unique, people will keep asking how so. And not offering proof doesn’t make them, their very good question or anything else go away.
I don’t know how many fights have you had MP can you list them or did they happen so long ago that it doesn’t matter.
You are kidding right? I mean, why does this matter for one and two this is exactly the type of **** I was trying to get/stay away from.
Further, it doesn’t really tell us anything about the actual question:
Is CMA special and unique? I’m not questioning its martial worth - I think it’s pretty clear that it works - provide you train hard, take your vitamins and say your prayers…
But being useful, or even superior, does not make it special and unique by necessity. It MIGHT be, I just haven’t seen anything to convince me otherwise. And since my experiences across a slew of athletic activities suggest they have more in common than they don’t, I’ll err on the side of my experiential references.
It’s merely a matter of perspective. I look at activities and note they seem similar (ie, sprinting and throwing discus are very different, as are, say, kicking and throwing). You look at them and note their differences.
I happen to think you are wrong about the degree and importances of those differences, when comparing apples and apples.
But hey, whatever you say Green Cloud.
muay thai won’t look like muay boran… muay boran is an attempt to recreate traditional thai arts. muay thai is pure sport, but I digress.
I agree with what you are saying. But, how many times have you heard a muay thai guy say “hey, REAL muay thai doesn’t look like that - there’s something unique that you guys just can’t see”? As has been said, fighting is fighting. the chinese stylists slag on themselves by making these claims.
as far as what competition proves, join the right thread - that is not what we’re talking about on either of these threads.
didnt care to read throught all the other comments, just wanted to say I think that fight was pretty good. the guy in blue was pretty powerful. Would have hated to be on the receiveing end of those blows. good throw strategy too.
not bad, and definatly not san shou gone bad either.