Six directional force vectors, Snake engine, Levitate, Silence, Loose, Nature flow…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhOAeXetIPI&NR=1
willow relax in the wind a few cotton floating
how could strong wind be resist, even strong tree break, but willow and cotton dissolve it with ease
Within the thunder storm stood tall, single little boat could cross the wild tide
Using the Soft power to lift thousand of pounds, with ease adapt in any circumstances.
To those who is searching …
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1067426]Six directional force vectors, Snake engine, Levitate, Silence, Loose, Nature flow…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZhOAeXetIPI&NR=1
willow relax in the wind a few cotton floating
how could strong wind be resist, even strong tree break, but willow and cotton dissolve it with ease
Within the thunder storm stood tall, single little boat could cross the wild tide
Using the Soft power to lift thousand of pounds, with ease adapt in any circumstances.[/QUOTE]
we should say this stuff when doing the SLT with the whoosh whoosh sound effects in every motion
[QUOTE=theo;1067473]we should say this stuff when doing the SLT with the whoosh whoosh sound effects in every motion[/QUOTE]
That would be an interesting sight. I think.
for those wondering about the six directional forces and the snake engine…
the six directional force vectors are present in every instant.
As a result, they describe motion and by extension, momentum at any instant.
Put together with the time component, then we are describing the trajectory of that momentum. As trajectory is the motion over time, from the trajectory then, we know the past momentum and thus it is included as well. When one is training the 6D force, when practiced with loose, silence, and nature, one will begin to be aware of those 6 forces (or combination thereof). With the awareness then comes the handling.
when balanced, then one is in levitation state. In levitation, one will begin to move naturally and experience true neutral. This is different than what some may call Relax or Loose. Being Relaxed and Loose are nice, but that alone is not enough to get one into Awareness. And often, one will think they are Relaxed and Loose except they are not.
thus if one is capable of handling the 6D in motion (dynamic), one should be able to take care of static as well. in Awareness one will become aware of the 6D force naturally as the body naturally expands in the six directions. when one part of the body moves, the whole body moves. Thus in the SLT, there is no such thing as only the arm moving during the punch or any other motion as the entire body is moving. The momentum generated in each motion then is also recycled and reused so that one does not have to start and stop or get stuck at some instant.
now in order to feel the Awareness over the entire body, one needs to be able to open or activate the physical body to allow the sensing and awareness ability to extend throughout the body. just being physically loose and relaxed will not cause one to be aware of the 6D because you also need the silence. so the snake engine gives one the ability to handle the 6D at a very fine granularity, from the fingertip to the toes. one needs both 6D and the snake engine in order to handle momentum dynamically at any instant at any kind of contact. without the snake engine, one cannot handle all the detail down to the smallest level. without the 6D, one cannot know how to handle the momentum.
so the 6D gives one the knowledge of how to handle the momentum and the snake engine gives one the tools to handle it down to the small details. thus when the sets are performed this way, one becomes aware of the details of the momentum in each motion and how the entire body is involved. this will cause movement or momentum in the body thus making it alive. as one becomes aware of the momentum, then one can start to see how via the momentum generators the momentum can be amplified or how the generators can be combined…which gets into fajin and hua jin…
KFF,
Isnt what Theo post is what you want?
Enjoy, complement of Yik Kam for Xmas 2010. Let the cat out…
[QUOTE=theo;1068586]one needs both 6D and the snake engine in order to handle momentum dynamically at any instant at any kind of contact. without the snake engine, one cannot handle all the detail down to the smallest level. without the 6D, one cannot know how to handle the momentum.[/QUOTE]
No disrespect here, but don’t you think/know that some families do exactly what you’re describing without the esoteric terms of ‘snake engine’ and ‘6D’? Actually I would say ‘most’ families of Wing Chun will have this, especially among their seniors.
And they didn’t need either snake or 6D to get it…
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1068625]No disrespect here, but don’t you think/know that some families do exactly what you’re describing without the esoteric terms of ‘snake engine’ and ‘6D’?
Actually I would say ‘most’ families of Wing Chun will have this, especially among their seniors.
And they didn’t need either snake or 6D to get it…[/QUOTE]
1, term such as snake engine and 6D are just term for communication, one can call it anything.
2, This is a sharing to promote open sharing, no one said other family doesnt have it. In fact, I keep telling every family has it isnt it? check my previous posts.
3, why is all the fuzz on the label term which is not important at all?
instead of ask yourself can you do what others do such as Hua Jin…etc?
or share on how your family cultivate the snake or 6 D even if not name it that way?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1068629]3, why is all the fuzz on the label term which is not important at all?
instead of ask yourself can you do what others do such as Hua Jin…etc?
or share on how your family cultivate the snake or 6 D even if not name it that way?[/QUOTE]
Have I not tried to do this already?? Share?? I only get negative responses to my terms too, so you’re not alone Hendrik!
And FWIW the term is MOST IMPORTANT!! I’ll give you an example. You obviously speak mandarin as your terms suggest that. But maybe 90-100% of westerners would have initially learnt Wing Chun in Cantonese, so already our romanizations need balancing. Our langauges are confusing to eachother and without having simple terms like this universal, where exactly do you think you are leading this forum? This thread, and others, does seem to be a marketing push on your behalf, but I might be wrong about that. And you. I’m just attempting to share and be more civil!
Then you talk of methods such as Hua Jin? What’s that? In cantonese?? Or translated to English? Where is it mentioned in WCK? In what context?
And finally, I cultivate the snake in a number of ways and especially my SLT is very snake/crane like in nature, as are my pole plays (as is everbody elses too fme!) But how you describe the snake engine seems to only explore the heiging/qigong/chigung internal stuffs so tell me, where is your Yi/Xi when you practice the saam bai fut/1st set/section? When do you inhale exhale? What sounds do you make? What organ are you nurturing? What is ‘your’ definition of silent mind?
Can you teach all this to everyone here on the forum? Do you use any of these methods to teach people who visit you? Or are you just a trickster?
Personally, I think the snake thing is there as the yum/yin to the cranes yeurng/yang which is a speciality in itself and in desparate need of clarification for everbodies benefit. The snake & crane have deep rooted history in Chinese Culture that goes beyond the Red Boats too imho, kinda like masonic symbols in the West. So to even promote them as something unique to yourself or Yik Kam is a bit condescending to many of us humble Wing Chun practitioners imho.
[QUOTE=theo;1068586] now in order to feel the Awareness over the entire body, one needs to be able to open or activate the physical body to allow the sensing and awareness ability to extend throughout the body. just being physically loose and relaxed will not cause one to be aware of the 6D because you also need the silence. so the snake engine gives one the ability to handle the 6D at a very fine granularity, from the fingertip to the toes. one needs both 6D and the snake engine in order to handle momentum dynamically at any instant at any kind of contact. without the snake engine, one cannot handle all the detail down to the smallest level. without the 6D, one cannot know how to handle the momentum.
[/QUOTE]
How does one open or activate the physical body?
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1068678]How does one open or activate the physical body?[/QUOTE]
use the snake engine within the WCK sets.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1068734]use the snake engine within the WCK sets.[/QUOTE]
Where exactly is the snake engine in each wck sets?
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1068766]Where exactly is the snake engine in each wck sets?[/QUOTE]
Every move at every instant has it.
it is a technology or a way to transform how the body move or body handling instead of some type of motion which look like snake.
Understood, please read the previous posts of this thread for your questions.
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1068644]Have I not tried to do this already?? Share?? I only get negative responses to my terms too, so you’re not alone Hendrik!
And FWIW the term is MOST IMPORTANT!! I’ll give you an example. You obviously speak mandarin as your terms suggest that. But maybe 90-100% of westerners would have initially learnt Wing Chun in Cantonese, so already our romanizations need balancing. Our langauges are confusing to eachother and without having simple terms like this universal, where exactly do you think you are leading this forum? This thread, and others, does seem to be a marketing push on your behalf, but I might be wrong about that. And you. I’m just attempting to share and be more civil!
Then you talk of methods such as Hua Jin? What’s that? In cantonese?? Or translated to English? Where is it mentioned in WCK? In what context?
And finally, I cultivate the snake in a number of ways and especially my SLT is very snake/crane like in nature, as are my pole plays (as is everbody elses too fme!) But how you describe the snake engine seems to only explore the heiging/qigong/chigung internal stuffs so tell me, where is your Yi/Xi when you practice the saam bai fut/1st set/section? When do you inhale exhale? What sounds do you make? What organ are you nurturing? What is ‘your’ definition of silent mind?
Can you teach all this to everyone here on the forum? Do you use any of these methods to teach people who visit you? Or are you just a trickster?
Personally, I think the snake thing is there as the yum/yin to the cranes yeurng/yang which is a speciality in itself and in desparate need of clarification for everbodies benefit. The snake & crane have deep rooted history in Chinese Culture that goes beyond the Red Boats too imho, kinda like masonic symbols in the West. So to even promote them as something unique to yourself or Yik Kam is a bit condescending to many of us humble Wing Chun practitioners imho.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1068766]Where exactly is the snake engine in each wck sets?[/QUOTE]
KFF,
IMHO, the snake engine isn’t a “move” or something that is in the sets, it’s a “engine” a way of “powering” the sets. similar to a car, you get different results with different engines. just depends on whether one is using it or not.
[QUOTE=theo;1068818]IMHO, the snake engine isn’t a “move” or something that is in the sets, it’s a “engine” a way of “powering” the sets. similar to a car, you get different results with different engines. just depends on whether one is using it or not.[/QUOTE]
I would call this ‘will’ Theo. An intention of will to be precise.
I agree that the natural movement of SLT should nurture this ‘engine’, but I also know that the SLT goes deeper than that if performed correctly. And this is the problem from what I have experienced compared to what I generally see.
When I first learnt SLT there were no jerking motions, no stopping within each set/section and definitely no explanation of ‘this is for that’ etc. It was just about your self. Keeping a steady flow (and to music Hendrik!) and this started the development of what I understand to be what you call the ‘snake engine’. Very feminine actually. With excentuated small circles. FME The huensau is the key to SLT and the power behind the engine you talk of. But I may just be clutching at straws?!
It’s not the best example of what I’m talking about but check this out and let me know what you think
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1068820]
It’s not the best example of what I’m talking about but check this out and let me know what you think
http://www.youtube.com/user/bongtanfuc#p/a/u/1/rDz9uJXySaQ[/QUOTE]
Every one can answer this by themself.
Take a look at 1.25 to 3.4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKWVOc2HOig&feature=related
Pay attention to my biu Jee example. 2.15 to 2.23 from my finger tips to my shoulder and the jin express .
look at your clip pay attention to all the joints (from the tips of the fingers to the body) moment and see what is it close to?
Doing things softly is not the key of focus.
Is the joints moments : acute angle, sometimes totally straight, and jerk with edge, and straight strech push out or continuous flow with rotation spiral out… tell me what you see in your clip?
KFF, the snake engine is right infront of your eyes and you run past it for past so many years.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1068838] KFF, the snake engine is right infront of your eyes and you run past it for past so many years.[/QUOTE]
Can you give a few more clues, does it have to do with chi gung?
How does one develop or become aware of it?
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1068856]Can you give a few more clues, does it have to do with chi gung?
How does one develop or become aware of it?[/QUOTE]
Take a look of how much write up in the past two weeks on these topic was post in this forum.
Face it, everything is in front of your eyes and ear. but if you cant making sense out of it then it is the time to go Baisi and learn it.
As the Zen teaching said, after read all the Koan if one still not getting it, it is time to go visiting other Zen masters.
That is the reality we all dont like but it is a fact. Do you think I have not travel your path? I did and I change path.
take a look at how other WCK lineage do it at last part of the clip
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiBMTLGfC3E&playnext=1&list=PL74C628B90CA68960&index=11
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1068820]
It’s not the best example of what I’m talking about but check this out and let me know what you think
http://www.youtube.com/user/bongtanfuc#p/a/u/1/rDz9uJXySaQ[/QUOTE]
I decide to do this critic here because I like WCner to have high quality including the performer in the clip. I hope she attain advance level somedays. It is a Xmas day, I like to do this with Love instead of critic for shake of critics.
I let you know the fact on this clip here. and it is just my opinion and I could be totaly wrong. so, just my opinion.
Theo knows when I get into the serious mode where I pick the heck out of everything using high reference so dont feel bad.
1, the person is trying her best to practice that has to be respected.
2, There is no way this type of training has any real power generation since every joints in the body doesnt support each others and power generated is only very localized or segmented.
The whole practice is like a soft moving dis connect joints rag doll. This is not soft but loose connect and dis oriented.
3, this type of training cannot sustain a single directional force vectors not to mention will totally dis-integrate in contact with a 6D. IE. there is no way these type of body structure and dynamic could even sustain a basic karate blow such as from Kyokushin middle punch in sanchin stance . not to mention a boxer’s punch with falling step.
4, So the solution is, discard this practice and here on practice with, every move the whole body must be supporting it. Meaning every joints support the other and support the motion or the momentum. Read the 6D posts here to gain as much knowledge as possible on the dynamic integration of the whole body.
5, snake engine is about dynamic integration or differentiation of the body without loosing the whole-ness. and there is non here.
What I wrote above doesnt sound good but please take it as a new begining. let the old and past die and start a new one. otherwise, one’s kung fu is not going to get to the advance level. It cant via this path. it is a waste of life. IMHHO.