my visit with hendrik

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I don’t think this is what Hendrik is referring to as 6 directional force vector or the snake engine. What you discribed above seems to be more in line with Peng Jin and correct ground reaction force/rooting.

yup. you are correct.

What are you adjusting inside your body as a whole to deal with incoming external force?

What is not constantly adapting all the time?

        Is this a good example of the excercises needed to loosen up the body in order to develop the snake engine and see hua?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI_1qSBNxBc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iJA29UtmSw0&feature=related

Sure if one knows what one is doing.

This one is too even thought it is his own version of emei 12 zhuang type
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HFXIPyKrqs&feature=related

much much much much more important is will one willing to go Bai Si and learn otherwise, none of these will get one anywhere far by mimic-ing them.

Or you just need
3.30.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4eWIAYvf9Q

if you know what to do.

Why make it so difficult? all of those snake this snake that snake ( do I care what snake? I dont) that is just keep telling you you got your credit card in your pocket and it is from the emai bank. use your credit card because it is from a legitimate bank and yours.

And then some start to argue with me and attack me…etc because I told them they have credit from the legitimate bank. years in and years out they keep deny their own credit and enjoy that even I told them you dont have to be living in poverty, you have credit card in your pocket.

and finally some will ask me " I am really has the credit card" Sure, why not. that is yours got nothing todo with me. I know it because my ancestor Yik Kam told me. So I told you.

A simple world. human makes is sooooo difficult for themself.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1067136]What is not constantly adapting all the time?[/QUOTE]

what exactly do you adapt constantly to deal with incoming force, is it your physical body (your bones, joints, internal organs) or your internal energy?

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[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1067138]what exactly do you adapt constantly to deal with incoming force, is it your physical body (your bones, joints, internal organs) or your internal energy?[/QUOTE]

isnt it six directional force / momentum vectors are just a snap short of motion or existance or force or momentum in a 3 D space?

if you body and mind is not in a constant changes response to the change within the 3 D, are you expect every thing in the world i freeze up so you could do your job when you like to?

or else one is dead.

So, why mimic a SLT or BJ which is dead and expect to be alive in the FLOW, similar to trying to present a 3 D color hologram motion image with a black and white TV screen. No one can do it even if it is GOD and wait till infinity of time.

Honestly, I deal only with flow and vortex.

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[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1067138]what exactly do you adapt constantly to deal with incoming force, is it your physical body (your bones, joints, internal organs) or your internal energy?[/QUOTE]

all of the above if I am alive. :smiley:

Six directional force vectors is just tool to tell the story of what happen with a force or motion or momentum in every transient. it is just a snap short of how things are at transient.

Snake technology is just a sensory and driving/ handling system which make the the whole aware-able and drive able/handle able.

With these Six and snake pair above, one is equip to handle the high speed transient, with holistic awareness, and swift handling. That’s all. that is the meaning of Siu Lien Tau. The essense of details training.

The rest, who cares it is called six directional force or one piece of cake or snake technology or Ipad. Those are not important. you mind doesnt have control on your body as much as one think. and as for energy those are just ambiguity word and the mind not aware of most of the time. Thus, it is very dangerous to think to know, but in fact the mind doesnt know even the body.

if you want to sum up what I have post here for the past ten years. just read this post.

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KFF,

Read these

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39985&highlight=xlm

All what you need to know is infront of your eyes. when things are before its time it is diffcult to understand at that time.

Compare with years ago when I wrote this Theo has ride through all four layers and more details tour in two hours the seconday we meet. I guess what use to take years or decades to undertand can be compressed into hours now.

Theo, you ask me if I still used the XML model at my home, well, I guess I become a living it. What do you think?

It seems that WCner’s transformation is snow falling.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1067104]Nope, no need extra set or add on.

WCK SLT set if not modified too far away from the red boat era, is an Emei 12 zhuang snake intrinsic embeded set. Developing Neigung in a transparent way if one knows how to turn on the engine.

Anyone who knows the technology knows the emei snake signature such as in the Biu Jee set 3.30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4eWIAYvf9Q[/QUOTE]

yup, further evidence by signature that this is in the set, whether one is aware or not

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1067155]KFF,

Read these

http://kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=39985&highlight=xlm

All what you need to know is infront of your eyes. when things are before its time it is diffcult to understand at that time.

Compare with years ago when I wrote this Theo has ride through all four layers and more details tour in two hours the seconday we meet. I guess what use to take years or decades to undertand can be compressed into hours now.

Theo, you ask me if I still used the XML model at my home, well, I guess I become a living it. What do you think?

It seems that WCner’s transformation is snow falling.[/QUOTE]

i wonder how many years it has been since you thought of the XLM? as any good student does, u go back and read the classics haha. well the model is a great tool. it separates the foundation into different layers and one can then see how they are related and do deeper investigation on each layer. but all are one and one is all in the end. to take that and separate it into distinct layers was helpful to me, just like taking apart the engine to see how it works.

its true, before one’s time then it’s hard to understand. it seems like when one is ready the teacher appears, doesn’t it? even though we are all capable of it, it’s harder for some and easier for others to see. there was a time when i would have read it and put it aside, but you know, things happen and one is always changing. i guess when i asked you about the XLM, i was asking the XLM itself!

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1067097]The technology intrinsicly embeded in every move and every instant of the SLT practice of the set until one’s every daily move is transform. It is transparent but there, there is not any kind of Family heigung stuffs. It is WCK the core and guts of WCK, only if one recognized it or not.

However , if one doesnt know the mind method the set is no different then any usual set. or default into physical exercise or drill or muscle programing…etc.

As ‘here’s the door but go through it alone man!’ is not totally accurate. Those who go throught it is not alone because lots of people has go through that door and on the journey. also, is there really a door? does what one knows really transform one’s world? or just some old chinese saying as in any movies where there is no substance or it is empty in reality.

BTW. breathing technology is not my word and I have never gone there. what you think is not what I am presenting. To be honest, those stuffs you mention is like a black and white flat screen movie what I present is like a 3 D hologram movie. one needs to see that 3 D hologram movie to recognize the world is a 3 D hologram and more, one knows that black and white practice is not adequate to represent the real world. Relax as mention above even sound great is still a black and white flat screen.

As I told Theo, six directional force… is a ticket to the movie. Ask Theo when he walks in that 3 D hologram cinema will his set be the same again or he has cross the line of no return. if he has cross the line of no return then he has gone through the door and started the journey.

When I mean not general Heigong, I mean it is something which will lead to the nature vibration or nature or God. It is about let go let God instead of something to manupulated body via mind. I mean a transformation/transcent of body and mind where one no longer as before.

That is the beauty of SLT , that is spring time.[/QUOTE]

with the six directional force and the snake technology, the difference in one’s sets is heaven and earth. but the transformation will not occur without the xing fa. for me, that is the true beauty of the SLT, about bringing one back to Nature, to experience Let Go Let God. It is a body and mind transformation that is setting one free.

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1067118]Are you describing what you are doing or you are asking questions?

Theo,
the above sound like what I am presenting but is it what I am presenting? Care to share your view?

today is my sentimental day

This is for those who knows the six directional force and the snake to open up the channels

like a condor one levitate within the strong wind.
like a loaded arrow waiting to discharge
like a horse it firmly rush out
like a human one has a boundless heart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUFl_MeTz1Q&feature=related

This is my view for those who knows chinese

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Hendrik,

It sounds like it, but not quite. being aware of the 6 directions is great but it is about being aware and handling them at any instant. the body can be in two states, static or dynamic. in either state, the 6 directional force is present. what we are presenting here is a way to allow the body to be in neutral in any action with no over-compensating force in any direction be it static or dynamic state.

furthermore, the whole body awareness that we are discussing requires the activation of the joints, sinews, tendons, meridians etc which is what the emei technology brings

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[QUOTE=theo;1067248]yup, further evidence by signature that this is in the set, whether one is aware or not[/QUOTE]

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-2rXQbVN6o&feature=related

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[QUOTE=theo;1067261]Hendrik,

It sounds like it, but not quite. being aware of the 6 directions is great but it is about being aware and handling them at any instant. the body can be in two states, static or dynamic. in either state, the 6 directional force is present. what we are presenting here is a way to allow the body to be in neutral in any action with no over-compensating force in any direction be it static or dynamic state.

furthermore, the whole body awareness that we are discussing requires the activation of the joints, sinews, tendons, meridians etc which is what the emei technology brings[/QUOTE]

You are correct. eventhough it sounds like it, it is thousand miles off…

and also it is still in the realm of “thinking” where we are trap thinking we could do this or that or get alert…etc but in the reality the mind cant handle these…

ya, the awareness opening has to occur to replace the above thinking.

Thus, the Xing Fa also is a Kung Fa where one know and be able to follow in order to practice with it instead of a different perspective thoughts.

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[QUOTE=theo;1067261]Hendrik,

It sounds like it, but not quite. being aware of the 6 directions is great but it is about being aware and handling them at any instant. the body can be in two states, static or dynamic. in either state, the 6 directional force is present. what we are presenting here is a way to allow the body to be in neutral in any action with no over-compensating force in any direction be it static or dynamic state.

furthermore, the whole body awareness that we are discussing requires the activation of the joints, sinews, tendons, meridians etc which is what the emei technology brings[/QUOTE]

:slight_smile:

Didn’t i say that whilst being very layman-ish. It was idle talk off the top of my head after reading a post by someone on the 6 vectors thread.

Quote:
Of course you have to be alert, in a state of readiness able to adjust not just with the mind idle and day dreaming nor should you be concentrating on trying to do this (trying to hard). It should be natural, second nature. Was me indicating that you don’t even think of all thses stuff.

Alert, constant state of readiness = " it is about being aware and handling them at any instant". :slight_smile:
and being in a state of “neutrality” is what we are talking about of course:cool:

Do I need to mention the meridian’s etc do you stand or move thinking about opening them or your joints, sinews etc etc.

All this is part of the training of SLT whether you understand it or have the terminology or not.

Another thread was asking about ehy we have Forms and are they practical for this day and age, or something? Maybe this is the answer and whether you want this quote “engine” or not.

Like others have said this is nothing new, spectacular, advanced it’s something you attain over time given the right direction. Many others have this (Noteably YiQuan and Koichi Tohei Aikido) and your way of explaining detail is only required when trying to explain in places like this or in books. I just join the conversation due to boredom at work :wink: and yes actually I am a more than a 1,000 miles away :smiley:

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1067104]Nope, no need extra set or add on.

WCK SLT set if not modified too far away from the red boat era, is an Emei 12 zhuang snake intrinsic embeded set. Developing Neigung in a transparent way if one knows how to turn on the engine.

Anyone who knows the technology knows the emei snake signature such as in the Biu Jee set 3.30.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4eWIAYvf9Q[/QUOTE]

I’m still finding it hard to see what you’re saying. The 12 Zhuang isn’t an ‘extra’ set that you have used to compliment the SLT, or awake the engine of your forms? In all the clips posted, except for Sifu Sergios, the practitioners are not doing anything from the WCK forms.

I understand that you may have experienced something very unique and can now see this snake technology within SLT, but what I am saying is that I think I feel the same WITHOUT the additional 12 Zhuang ideas. And it was within SLT, not BJ, that I experienced this first.

Sergios clip, though interesting, does not tell me anything ‘new’.

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[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1067296]
I’m still finding it hard to see what you’re saying.
Sergios clip, though interesting, does not tell me anything ‘new’.[/QUOTE]

You will see it somedays when you take out your “sun glasses” expect to see what is and what is not WCK and return to see the nature just as it is.

It is very valueable because it tells the story of how all WCK does something.

Secret is always hidden within the obvious thus most never see them.

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Some believe that originally there was just SLT :), A long set that was broken up into SLT/SNT, CK, BJ. (As you already know;))

So where you say you felt it first doesn’t matter:) I would be surprised if you didn’t feel it first in the form you practised the longest.

You don’t need to practise Ermei.
Hasn’t Hendrik already point out other Wing Chun sifu’s who he say’s have what he is explaining? (As you already know;))

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[QUOTE=FongSung;1067291]:slight_smile:

Didn’t i say that whilst being very layman-ish. It was idle talk off the top of my head after reading a post by someone on the 6 vectors thread.

Quote:
Of course you have to be alert, in a state of readiness able to adjust not just with the mind idle and day dreaming nor should you be concentrating on trying to do this (trying to hard). It should be natural, second nature. Was me indicating that you don’t even think of all thses stuff.

Alert, constant state of readiness = " it is about being aware and handling them at any instant". :slight_smile:
and being in a state of “neutrality” is what we are talking about of course:cool:

Do I need to mention the meridian’s etc do you stand or move thinking about opening them or your joints, sinews etc etc.

All this is part of the training of SLT whether you understand it or have the terminology or not.

Another thread was asking about ehy we have Forms and are they practical for this day and age, or something? Maybe this is the answer and whether you want this quote “engine” or not.

Like others have said this is nothing new, spectacular, advanced it’s something you attain over time given the right direction. Many others have this (Noteably YiQuan and Koichi Tohei Aikido) and your way of explaining detail is only required when trying to explain in places like this or in books. I just join the conversation due to boredom at work :wink: and yes actually I am a more than a 1,000 miles away :D[/QUOTE]

KFF,

What do you think on the above? Since you are a great fan of mine. hahaha

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[QUOTE=Hendrik;1067298]You will see it somedays when you take out your “sun glasses” WCK and return to see the nature as it is.[/QUOTE]

Careful there Hendrik, I don’t want you to strain your shen with your slight-handed insults! Of course my WCK is the ‘sunglasses’ kind because I’ve been kept in the shade eh? Or am I misreading you again?

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1067298]It is very valueable because it tells the story of how all WCK does something.

Secret is always hidden within the obvious thus most never see them.[/QUOTE]

I’m not a fan of secrets, and this is what I was trying to see from you Hendrik. How honest are you exactly?

[QUOTE=FongSung;1067298]Some believe that originally there was just SLT , A long set that was broken up into SLT/SNT, CK, BJ. (As you already know)

So where you say you felt it first doesn’t matter I would be surprised if you didn’t feel it first in the form you practised the longest.

You don’t need to practise Ermei.
Hasn’t Hendrik already point out other Wing Chun sifu’s who he say’s have what he is explaining? (As you already know)[/QUOTE]

Was this aimed at me FongSung?? Because it sure felt like it was :wink:

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Ha ha :slight_smile:

I’m just follow ur advise a little, testing the water.

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Careful there Hendrik, I don’t want you to strain your shen with your slight-handed insults! Of course my WCK is the ‘sunglasses’ kind because I’ve been kept in the shade eh? Or am I misreading you again?

I am telling you in a polite way that you dont see what it is with the sunglasses analogy.

if I am going to be blunt and direct, I will tell you your training has mold you rigid. but then that will start a holy war of you defend yourself right?

and as a human, we all have in sometimes being modl rigid or wearing those sunglasses, and somedays when we decide to take it off, that’s it. it is just a part of human nature.

I’m not a fan of secrets, and this is what I was trying to see from you Hendrik. How honest are you exactly?

How honest I am depend on how clear could you read my description as it is.

For those who knows there is no secret, for those who dont they always think there must be some very special secret…etc.

I have just pulled out an old post since 2006 for KFF yesterday, What I talk I walk. be it with KFF or Theo or others…

No changes of story for past decades, 2000 or 2010, it is as it is. Check it out.

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[QUOTE=FongSung;1067314]Ha ha :slight_smile:

I’m just follow ur advise a little, testing the water.[/QUOTE]

Well, that’s good to know.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1067314]I am telling you in a polite way that you dont see what it is with the sunglasses analogy.[/QUOTE]

And I’ve been trying to share with you that I do ‘feel’ like I am familiar with what you write, although I have not been exposed to the Emei 12 Zhuang as you have. But of course, I CAN’T know or feel that way if I’ve only ever learnt Wing Chun can I? Well, and a little Shotokan lol!