[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1070125]You may forget that sparring is “fun”. When your opponent tries very hard to hurt you but he can’t, you may laugh in your dream for the next 5 days. Where else can you have fun like that? I may be 10 years older than you, but I still enjoy sparring and wrestling.
When you take the sparring/wrestling away, you take away all the fun part from TCMA.[/QUOTE]
For me, sparring is serous matter…
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1070128]For me, sparring is serous matter…[/QUOTE]
Surely not, i reckon id get a laugh if i saw you spar
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1070128]For me, sparring is serous matter…[/QUOTE]
And of course, when one is serious about anything, they had BETTER NOT HAVE ANY FUN!!
Hi Hendrik- Peng, An, hua, Fa are Mnadarin terms and the terms for those energies are used in the neijia arts.
Wing chun also has those energies though wing chun lineages often do not use the samevocabulary or labels. But wing chun has it’s own structural requirements and hence different from hsing Yi, taiji etc.
Folks- Hendrik has fought and sparred and he does know chi sao-though his chi sao is not the Ip Man type but similar to some other non IP chi sao. I continue to be amazed that so much attention is on Hendrik rather than the subject matter of threads.Can we not de personalize
some of the discussion and focus on content even when we disagree? I see no problem in disagreements.
joy chaudhuri
[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1070147]FUN!![/QUOTE]
TCMA such as SC was treated as recreation in the ancient China. When a friend visited you, you threw him a wrestling outfit, went outside, and had good time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_SvIVw9_WY
Fun is the best motivation to keep us to train in TCMA until the day that we die.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1070155]TCMA such as SC was treated as recreation in the ancient China. When a friend visited you, you threw him a wrestling outfit, went outside, and had good time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_SvIVw9_WY
Fun is the best motivation to keep us to train in TCMA until the day that we die.[/QUOTE]
If you love that that is great for you.
My fun is to able to take a look on others jin pattern, know how he generates it, know the strength and weakness, know how to replical it, know how to break it , and no need to do it and walk away.
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1070149]Hi Hendrik- Peng, An, hua, Fa are Mnadarin terms and the terms for those energies are used in the neijia arts.
Wing chun also has those energies though wing chun lineages often do not use the samevocabulary or labels. But wing chun has it’s own structural requirements and hence different from hsing Yi, taiji etc.
Folks- Hendrik has fought and sparred and he does know chi sao-though his chi sao is not the Ip Man type but similar to some other non IP chi sao. I continue to be amazed that so much attention is on Hendrik rather than the subject matter of threads.Can we not de personalize
some of the discussion and focus on content even when we disagree? I see no problem in disagreements.
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Joy, you seem to be one of the few here that is experienced and wise enough to see what’s happening to the simple quality of posts and exchange of Wing Chun knowledge.
My hat off to you sir and Happy New Year!
[QUOTE=Vajramusti;1070149]Hi Hendrik- Peng, An, hua, Fa are Mnadarin terms and the terms for those energies are used in the neijia arts.
Wing chun also has those energies though wing chun lineages often do not use the samevocabulary or labels. But wing chun has it’s own structural requirements and hence different from hsing Yi, taiji etc.
Folks- Hendrik has fought and sparred and he does know chi sao-though his chi sao is not the Ip Man type but similar to some other non IP chi sao. I continue to be amazed that so much attention is on Hendrik rather than the subject matter of threads.Can we not de personalize
some of the discussion and focus on content even when we disagree? I see no problem in disagreements.
joy chaudhuri[/QUOTE]
Joy, you are correct, WCK has those jin, just different labels.
I think to discuss and focus on content is not an easy thing to do since most of human is motivated by their need to let other knows their existance or wanting attention instead of capable of focus and discuss out side of that basic wanting attention needs.
Like in college many cant sit still for the whole lecture but end up day dreaming.
There are lots can we talk here technically however more and more I really dont expect a true technical discussion here because most people is unable to. not that they choose to but subsconciously their habitual program not letting them to.
Speaking technically, there is an important point which is need to discuss. and that is what is the degree of the tail bone; or how far the tai bone needs to be tilt forward and what does it do? what result is needed? most people missed this key.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1070171]I think to discuss and focus on content is not an easy thing to do since most of human is motivated by their need to let other knows their existance or wanting attention instead of capable of focus and discuss out side of that basic wanting attention needs…
… Speaking technically, there is an important point which is need to discuss. and that is what is the degree of the tail bone; or how far the tai bone needs to be tilt forward and what does it do? what result is needed? most people missed this key.[/QUOTE]
There you go again Hendrik. Skipping the true issue and throwing in a discussion on the b l o o d y tailbone! Even putting everyone here down with your remark about peoples incapability to focus!
The point Joy was making is simple. You are using Mandarin terms to describe something to a Cantonese audience. So ‘technically’ it does become very hard to follow and learn from your writings.
I do not read Chinese and do not speak Mandarin or Cantonese. But asa reference point in talking wing chun in person with people I know- I tend use some Cantonese terms no matter how badly mispronunced. But English is ok too- though English terms for kung fu are not quite settled enough.
For instance for fa jin, I tend to use-“bau ja geng” which comes out in translation as something like “explode power”- in action it’s an equivalent.
I did not miss the reference to the tailbone but I chose not to hop from topic to topic.
joy chaudhuri
[QUOTE=LoneTiger108;1070174]There you go again Hendrik. Skipping the true issue and throwing in a discussion on the b l o o d y tailbone! Even putting everyone here down with your remark about peoples incapability to focus!
The point Joy was making is simple. You are using Mandarin terms to describe something to a Cantonese audience. So ‘technically’ it does become very hard to follow and learn from your writings.[/QUOTE]
Skipping true issue?
For me how to handle the tail bone is a true issue.
As for the use of common TCMA term such as Fajin, be it in mandarin or cantoness always could be asked to clarify. that is an issue for some but not a big issue.
here we go
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fa_jin
and there is a reason why I use those Peng, Hua…etc because WCK doesnt have a common reference language today to describe these, but the mandarin TCMA does. For me it is better to use a clear reference then to use something up for everyone’s interpretation.
A: You have to keep your heel “down”, head “up”, and “tuck” your tail bone when you Fajin.
B: You have to keep your heel “up”, head “down”, and “untuck” your tail bone when you Fajin.
A: I’m talking about “striking art Fajin” here. 
B: I’m talking about “throwing art Fajin” here.
It’s better to discuss a certain “principle (such as tuck the tailbone)” from both angles.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1070221]A: You have to keep your heel “down”, head “up”, and “tuck” your tail bone when you Fajin.
B: You have to keep your heel “up”, head “down”, and “untuck” your tail bone when you Fajin.
A: I’m talking about “striking art Fajin” here.
B: I’m talking about “throwing art Fajin” here.
It’s better to discuss a certain “principle (such as tuck the tailbone)” from both angles.[/QUOTE]
Sure,
IMHO,
A is because you are in exhale phase and the spine has to alight that way to support the body operation. The Qi sink to Dan dien with the front of the body/ Ren medirian loose up
B, is because you are in the inhale phase and the spine has to curve other way to support the body operation. This Qi move up to the head via Du medirian with the back of the body loose up.
It is all nature flow.
WARNING:
DONOT try and Imagine what I say about the Qi flow, that cause big problem if you are not train and coach.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1070181]
Speaking technically, there is an important point which is need to discuss. and that is what is the degree of the tail bone; or how far the tai bone needs to be tilt forward and what does it do? what result is needed? most people missed this key.
For me how to handle the tail bone is a true issue. [/QUOTE]
How important is tucking the tailbone when applying the snake engine and hua jing?
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1070231]How important is tucking the tailbone when applying the snake engine and hua jing?[/QUOTE]
Tailbone is a part of the body, anything advance will need to have an awareness and adaptive handling of this part of the body.
That means snake engine and hua jing and fajing…etc all need to have an adaptive handling of the tail bone naturally. Dynamic flow structure is beyond your imagine.
Thus, if one doesnt go Baisi and learn diligently with those sifu who knows and get coach, there is no way one could get an entering into advance level of Kung fu. it is a fantasy and lie other then this path. One simply cant learn and master an art without a good sifu.
Dont believe me?
just ask how to adjust the degree of the tail bone in YJKYM what is the result one intended to have, what one is monitoring while doing that adjustment? This might sound arrogant but seriously, if one could even know what happen with one’s spine / tail bone handling, what does one do standing there? YKW can tell you his way of handling tail bone can you do the same if not then that is issue.
if one have read my posts on the five finger trace taiji using the pinky, to the Pak kuit…
Hopefully, one could see the big picture now that it is a huge system and details handling one needs to know, thus, it is impossible to read some books or ask a few questions to know what it is, not to mention to be able to handle the basic, Not even advance but just capable to handle the basic. Lots of coaching and years and years of practicing is needed.
One got to get into the state that one could see the systemic view and also the small details to say one knows an art. it is not thinking it is to be able to get into the state and states and flow and play in it. Truth is often doesnt sound good but truth is truth. Can one do it? that is the bottom line.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1070233]advance level of Kung fu.[/QUOTE]
One day I asked my teacher, “What is advance level skill?” My teacher said, "Anything that you can make it work against a resistent opponent, it will be “advance level skill”, otherwise, it’s not.
Not saying your definition is wrong but to point out that even we both train in TCMA, we have different definitions about the word “advance level”.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1070234]One day I asked my teacher, “What is high level skill?” My teacher said, "Anything that you can make it work against a resistent opponent, it will be “high level skill”, otherwise, it’s “low level skill”.
Most wrestlers can make their single leg or double legs work very well. IMO, those are “high level skill”.[/QUOTE]
Sure the word is simple, however behind that how much details handling and sweat and blood one investing in?
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1070233]Tailbone is a part of the body, anything advance will need to have an awareness and adaptive handling of this part of the body.
That means snake engine and hua jing and fajing…etc all need to have an adaptive handling of the tail bone naturally. Dynamic flow structure is beyond your imagine.[/QUOTE]
tucking the tailbone is mainly to connect the mederians of the upper body with the legs
how do you align the upper spine straight?
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;1070263]tucking the tailbone is mainly to connect the mederians of the upper body with the legs
how do you align the upper spine straight?[/QUOTE]
Whoever told you tucking the tailbone is mainly to connect the mederians of the upper body with the legs doesnt know what is tucking tailbone is for. Seriously, that is misleading.
mederians of the upper body with the legs are connected tucking or not tucking.
Just to be real honest with you,
it is layer and layers of intertwine chain effect, it is not just align the upper spine straight. It influence mind and body and breathing and Qi cultivation with the six directional force and it is a dynamic deal instead of a dead static deal.
Otherwise, there is no way to implement FLOW or dynamic flow structure.
One effect of tail bone control is the Qi needs to be able to sink down to ST30 with ease at every breath.
Unable to do that means the YJKYM is dead be it in the physical, qi, breathing, or momentum stand point.
Thus, dont buy the
tucking the tailbone is mainly to connect the mederians of the upper body with the legs
That is missed leading.