my visit with hendrik

[QUOTE=theo;1069328]nobody’s said anything about that. the fact is, there is a difference in cultural view. we know WCK is a chinese martial art, so that cultural perspective and ideas are what drove its design and development through the years. can’t just take all that and brute force it into what we all think is right based on our individual experiences growing up in the modern age. the ancestors had very specific definitions and meanings back then, so what’s the point of trying to twist it into something we think is more correct? why not just follow what they said instead?[/QUOTE]

Actually they (he) did Theo.
Hendricks constant inference that one needs to “baisai” to fuly understand WC is ever present
I have no problem with the chinese cultural influence in regards to WC, in fact i embrace and celebrate it, but i cant stand the “my way is the only way” from a self promoting master of false humility who in my my own opinion basically gets racist to get his point across
Regards
GlennR

[QUOTE=GlennR;1069318]So question for you here… if i dont learn any of the above are you saying i cant reach a high level of WC???
Looking forawrd to your reply
GlennR[/QUOTE]

Without that one might still be a good fighter at young age.

however, the body and fighting power will not sustain at older age; and one will not reach the advance state of using Jin and flow of WCK. Due to lack of mind-body transformation that is a reality.

[QUOTE=GlennR;1069319]And one more question… are you saying i have to “baisai” to an asian WC instructor??

Regards
GlennR[/QUOTE]

Nope. Baisi to any WC who has true mastering of the art.

[QUOTE=GlennR;1069331]No offense Theo.. but your going down the same path here as Hendrick. Slightly patronising with a “so i have heard” from another source at the end to give it some meat.
Simple question… will Hendricks “path of enlightenment” make me a better WC (notice i said WC) fighter

Glenn[/QUOTE]

1, the path I show is the path of advance internal TCMA, it is what it is.

2, the path is for attaining one’s advance potential beyond general fighter concept of today.

[QUOTE=GlennR;1069335]Actually they (he) did Theo.
Hendricks constant inference that one needs to “baisai” to fuly understand WC is ever present
I have no problem with the chinese cultural influence in regards to WC, in fact i embrace and celebrate it,

but i cant stand the “my way is the only way” from a self promoting master of false humility who in my my own opinion basically gets racist to get his point across
Regards
GlennR[/QUOTE]

Read all of my previous posts.

Baisi is not a cultural stuffs.
Baisi means to go learn from some one who has mastered the art. Baisi means admit one needs help and get the help.

Simple and clear stuffs as I said it again and again, if one doesnt know then go and learn from one who knows. How is one suppose to learn an art or mastering an art without a teacher?

why get into my way is the only way…
Why get into all the racist …etc? why makes learning from others soooo difficult?
Why all those off mark thought filling one’s mind when What I said is “if you dont know and need to learn, then you need a teacher?” Perhaps one needs to check what kind of mind set is within one to have all those unconscious emotion to resist and against getting help.

Perhaps it is one who think those ----my way is the only way, racist… —is the one who has those mind set in their mind; similar to a person who just finished watching horror movie will think of all kind of ghost at night.

[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1069332]theo,

The problem with that kind of thinking is that it presumes that the “ancients” knew better than we do today. That has not been established. In fact history has taught us that the ancients, didn’t know much about anything we know today. If you recall your Chinese history, the ancient Taoists used to give The Yellow Emperor mercury pills that were designed to prolong his life and perhaps give him eternal life. All they did was hasten his death and probably make it very painful.

The error in your thinking is the “presumption” that they knew more than we do today. They didn’t!
[/QUOTE]

Quite right!

And significantly, today we know, from both science and from sport, what sort of training methods work best for developing skill, how to best condition yourself, etc.

There are better things to spend your time on in life than learning impractical and useless skills. Aside from the fact it may simply just be enjoyable, if you think you are going to learn something special, mysterious and rare and gain special abilities, you will be sadly mistaken.

Some people enjoy Dungeons and Dragons.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1069342]1, the path I show is the path of advance internal TCMA, it is what it is.
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That path is bullsh1t. Name one – ONE – decent fighter that “advance internal TCMA” has produced. Exactly. Zero.

The problem with that kind of thinking is that it presumes that the “ancients” knew better than we do today. That has not been established. In fact history has taught us that the ancients, didn’t know much about anything we know today.

The error in your thinking is the “presumption” that they knew more than we do today. They didn’t!

you seem not be able to comprehend what I post and react with all kind of thought according to your own thinking, as it is always off topic.

I talk technology and its process and examine the process and technology, no pre assumption.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1069315]Some likes to talk big here. Some likes to critics of the Chinese way of training.
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Because that sort of training doesn’t produce good results. This is why there are no decent fighters in the world today that use it.

Some doesnt like to hear Baisi. …

For me, these people must have never seen the top quality Advance TCMA player.
If things are so simple, then there will be tons of advance TCMA players.

The problem is there are NO “advance TCMA players.” There are only pretenders. An “advanced martial artist”, regardless of their style, should have high level fighting skill – after all, that is what they are training for, right? So, Hendrik, who has these “advanced fighting skills”? No one.

What YOU mean by “advance TCMA players” are people who can do parlor tricks, who can do things when they are not under the stress of fighting and mistakenly believe, as you do, that this means they can do that same sh1t when they fight.

Started from the very basic,
even relax or Loose up has various type, if one is not carefull, one get into a wrong state and will not attained what is suppose to. Not to mention when things get more and more advance. There is no room for fuzzy or confusion…

Even with a good sifu or lots of good sifus’ support, one still has to spend lots of time testing and fine tuning one’s practice…

That easy? No. like a musician lots of practice, fine tune, before one could have good handling.

Without a sifu to coach one, a good process. Training is almost impossible and hopeless. or cant progress too far. that is a reality.

The other day some ask me SLT stuffs and expect me to tell him the short cut. I told him I did Zhang Zhong for almost two hours a days these days, do you think I will do that if there is short cut?

It is naive to think relax or loose up will do everything. Six directional force vectors concept in the ancient Taiji is called Supporting eight direction and a single feather cannot land. Those are advance level stuffs after one can do proper loose up. layer and layers of details and handling… not that simple at all. But then when one has master it, it is just nature.
Similar to an excellent singer singing is nature, but then how much one has to go through before one reach that nature?

All complete bullsh1t.

Speak about the most basic Wing Chun YJKYM. everyone think one needs to tilt the tail bone…etc. but does one really know the significant and the result target? Just to be direct, most done it wrong and violating the human body nature, thus end up pulling a reverse gear and get one stuck. See, every part of the body from the chest, back, head, waist, hip… has a guide line to proper alignment and handling. without get into those stuffs. one is just standing there like a piece of dead wood. perhaps that could give a good training to tense up the muscle, however, travelling internal is certainly not possible. to have the YJKYM to produce the full potential, the reference of silence, breathing, qi flow, physical handling needs to be known. and only then, one could keep track of one’s state with those references points.

Fantasy.

I post this post because I do feel there is too many “talking experts”, that is going to contribute to only confusion.

The only confusion comes from believing this nonsense is real.

finally,
Emei Snake engine, very simple, said it in one sentence is " every joints in the body must move in circular path and supporting/echoing each others all together." What secret? NONE.

but even one knows this can one do it? Nope, without all those basic conditioning and training, one still will not be able to even picture it not to mention do it.

And where is ANYONE who can use this marvelous stuff successfully in fighting? Exactly. No one can.

I always open up and share to the public, that is because I am concern the art will be gone if not practice. However, I dont like that figthing fighting stuffs.

WCK is a fighting method. Everything in WCK is validated ONLY by and through fighting. Otherwise, it is fantasy fu. If you don’t like fighting, then don’t fight. No one is forcing you to practice a martial art.

And your whole karma-thing is complete bullsh1t. It is your lame excuse for not training. People go to gyms and spar/fight all the time, every day. They do it voluntarily, and as a sport – for fun. They fight, compete for fun. There is no bad karma in doing that. No more than there is bad karma in playing a game of basketball.

[QUOTE=Scott R. Brown;1069324]Right! You can make someone fall down without moving in anyway. In your dreams! Good luck with that!

Read everything I just wrote to Hendrik and it goes for you too! Except for the equanimity part, that has yet to be tested appropriately!:rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

How intelligent is a person who keeps commenting anything that person have never seen and know?

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1069346]
I talk technology and its process and examine the process and technology, no pre assumption.[/QUOTE]

The only way to judge these things is by the results of the training. And since WCK and your “advance internaql MA” are fighting methods, the results can only be seen/determined by fighting/sparring. So, please point me to anyone with good results in fighting that uses this “advance internal martial art” training.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1069348]How intelligent is a person who keeps commenting anything that person have never seen and know?[/QUOTE]

I haven’t seen Bigfoot but I know it doesn’t exist!

[QUOTE=t_niehoff;1069345]That path is bullsh1t. Name one – ONE – decent fighter that “advance internal TCMA” has produced. Exactly. Zero.[/QUOTE]

Your fighter idea is not much then movie star idolism.

[QUOTE=t_niehoff;1069349]The only way to judge these things is by the results of the training. And since WCK and your “advance internaql MA” are fighting methods, the results can only be seen/determined by fighting/sparring.

So, please point me to anyone with good results in fighting that uses this “advance internal martial art” training.[/QUOTE]

any one practice the technology get a better health and better application body/mind/momentum handling ability. That is forsue, any one will get that result be it in the past, present, or future.

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1069354]any one practice the technology get a better health[/QUOTE]

how do you substantiate that claim?

[QUOTE=t_niehoff;1069347]Because that sort of training doesn’t produce good results. This is why there are no decent fighters in the world today that use it.

Because you dont know what it is.

The problem is there are NO “advance TCMA players.” There are only pretenders. An “advanced martial artist”, regardless of their style, should have high level fighting skill – after all, that is what they are training for, right? So, Hendrik, who has these “advanced fighting skills”? No one.

That is your irrational generalization assumption and accusation.

WCK is a fighting method. Everything in WCK is validated ONLY by and through fighting. Otherwise, it is fantasy fu. If you don’t like fighting, then don’t fight. No one is forcing you to practice a martial art.

You always like to think you are the spoke man of WCK isnt it?

And your whole karma-thing is complete bullsh1t. It is your lame excuse for not training. People go to gyms and spar/fight all the time, every day. They do it voluntarily, and as a sport – for fun. They fight, compete for fun. There is no bad karma in doing that. No more than there is bad karma in playing a game of basketball.

Karma means cause/effect and attraction.

Those who keep thinking fighting will get into fight neccesary or not. you like to have a fighting life that is your decision.

[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1069356]how do you substantiate that claim?[/QUOTE]

Why do you called yourself Taai gihk yahn?

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1069358]Why do you called yourself Taai gihk yahn?[/QUOTE]
that is irrelevant to the question I asked, which I thought was a reasonable one; how does one substantiate claims of improved health? it’s not an unreasonable inquiry;

why can’t you answer the question? do you not wish to? or are you unable to?

[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1069359]that is irrelevant to the question I asked, which I thought was a reasonable one; how does one substantiate claims of improved health? it’s not an unreasonable inquiry;

why can’t you answer the question? do you not wish to? or are you unable to?[/QUOTE]

or I expect the person who pick a nick name as Taai gihk Yahn to be able to answer the question for himself?

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1069360]or I expect the person who pick a nick name as Taai gihk Yahn to be able to answer the question for himself?[/QUOTE]

I can answer “the question” for myself; I am curious as to your perspective on it, since you are making the claim;