simple honest question[rant for rant]
level of mastery we read about and which were displayed by the top in Tai Chi, Aikido, Hsing I, Hung style didn’t do it from doing kickboxing from day 1.
Mastery in respect to what ?
the training system chi sau and drills
or actual non choreographed combat
there are certain levels of honesty that need to be addressed
if you’re talking about combat skill
and application of that skill
if you consider Wing Chun combat training system then we need to look at combat with an honest open eye
look at your self - condition / age / time to train / training goals
look at your opponent - condition / age / time put into to training / and training goals
if your goal is to turn wing Chun into tai chi or some health thing
then you should focus on that
and not confuse it with combative honesty
if you’re not in shape hurt or to old then you must accept that
self honesty
Ray , for me that’s the problem in wing Chun training not enough honesty , allot of stories and what this or that person can do
so people train reaching out for ghost
you say there no more wing chun talk at least not what you like to see but lets be honest wing chun has not generated great people these days ,
methods need to be looked right or wrong
looking into the weakness not just focusing on the strength of the art
Ray[There have been a lot of intelligent discussions before on the subtle details of high level Wing Chun.]
if these details were so prominent and effective then people wouldn’t have as many questions or empty holes in there training
with the Internet people are voicing there results and these results in many cases have been less then
this may not be the fault of the training system , but maybe the training methods have lost their edge
is it so much to as these so called skilled people to simply prove it is that so offensive
I believe there is great skill to be achieved in wing chun because I have tried to go toe to toe with some very skilled teachers and felt it and have seen them do to others no problem
but it seems only the older generation with the more hardcore training methods got these results
perhaps we should stop revisiting all these stories and research there training methods , if you have that information then you should bring it out for analysis
also don’t worry so much about what people do , let them experiment and research and have there views if what you can do is as efficient as all the prominent little high level details should make you then , when you see a young lost multi skilled chap blow him out the water and help him see the light
it’s what I plan to do when I’m older =)
you know I got respect for you , but this time it just seemed a bit whiney there is a reason why people are drifting , they are getting there asses kicked out side of class , we must accept this truth and remedy the situation , not with stories about details but actual results and training methods that produce those results
not with what Ken , or Gary , or who ever says but with what is real and tangible
any discussion you want to start on that subject I’m totally down for , I have been thinking along the same lines , transferring baat jam do footwork and skills back into empty hands , my latest footage of WSL shows much of this , yet I have trained with people from different methods that have many years of knife training and can’t move at all just like a lump of clay with 2 toothpicks sticking out
