Also, Feng doesnt always use the thumb to ‘grip’. Quite often not at all.
Re: Diao/Dieu Continued
The Diu Sao and upward elbow with the Twisting Stance in the 2nd road of Bung Bo. Anybody know if there is a particular name for this technique? Something colorful or poetic?
Sifu Tunks,
Interesting! Thanks so much for your comments. The opening to this frog’s well just got a little bigger 
N.
Re: Re: Diao/Dieu Continued
Originally posted by mantisben
The Diu Sao and upward elbow with the Twisting Stance in the 2nd road of Bung Bo. Anybody know if there is a particular name for this technique? Something colorful or poetic?
Hmm, we call it “tip kao”. But I fear thats not poetic enough! 
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Originally posted by German Bai Lung
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Hmm, we call it “tip kao”. But I fear thats not poetic enough! [/B]
I knew that it was the “Tip” in “Tip Kao”, but I think “Tip” describes the principle “Tag” more than the technique. It is very possible that there is no poetic name for the technique. For me, the poetic/names like “Tyrant treats” (the double-hand grab in the 2nd road of Bung Bo) sometimes offer insight into a technique’s execution.
How about just the Chinese name. Like Fung Tung Choi, “Fung” describing the grab (or seal) and “Tung Choi” describing the straight punch. What is the Chinese name for the Diu and the upward elbow strike? Is it Fung Kip Sao? Diu Kip Sao? My guess it would be Diu _______ and not Fung ______ because in the form, it is a Diu that is executed.
Not poetic but a different name for the same thing;
Gua Er Zhou. Hang Ear Elbow.
Usually only the major part of the technique is named therefore there wont be a mention of the other hand in most cases, certainly not in most Quan Pu.
Originally posted by B.Tunks
Not poetic but a different name for the same thing;
Gua Er Zhou. Hang Ear Elbow.
Usually only the major part of the technique is named therefore there wont be a mention of the other hand in most cases, certainly not in most Quan Pu.
“Gua” Er Zhou. There is that 4th keyword again (Gua). Thank you for the response.
10 KF-light bulbs went on!!
So thx to all of you guys- liked the explanation of “feng” VERY much and it made a lot of things clearer- then the thing about thumb or not thumb- well I also think that a grab without thumb might be faster . Maybe the grab would be a bit less powerfull, but, I agree: faster because of less muscles involved. - and: Gua again finally: the circle closes.
Mantisben,
Unfortunately, WHF does not give a poetic name for this technique in his book. Most of his writing was in a technical fashion to standardize names for movements. In his book he names this technique, “lou bo jaw nim jow” - twisting stance left sticking elbow.
Sorry don’t have anything poetic to add but I know what you mean in regards to the name sometimes helping to understand some facet of the the technique.
YM
That Elbow
The elbow in question is known as Chaotian Zhou as found in Alexander Tse’s Taichi Mantis Peng Pu Boxing book p. 49 “Posture 25 Upwardly Directed Eblow.” although I prefer to refer to it as sky facing elbow smash instead. There is however a difference in the stances which is riding tiger stance in our version. In an old 7 Star Beng Bu Quanpu provided by Sifu Carl Albright, that and the immediate following elbow move are counted as one and the move is call Nau Bo Gwai Jow “twisted step turning (?) elbow”. Gwai is kind of hard to translate.
Mantis108
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Okay, being new to this forum and all, I am confused why a student of Praying Mantis would come to a message board to find out information on techniques and forms, instead of asking these questions of their Sifu.
I mean no disrespect to the people who have been nice enough to answer the questions, but as I understand the martial arts world, the student coming to a “public forum” to ask the questions they should be asking of their Sifu is insulting their Sifu.
If people on this board are training without a Sifu, then they should be making an effort to find a way to spend time with a recognized Sifu, even if its only a few times a year. Once you have established that relationship, you can communicate your questions to that Sifu.
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"Okay, being new to this forum and all, I am confused why a student of Praying Mantis would come to a message board to find out information on techniques and forms, instead of asking these questions of their Sifu. "
A student of Mantis may want to know what others call things for reference sake or to see what other families of mantis teach.
I know of no one trying to learn the mantis system from this site, nor could they even if they wished it.
The members discussing this topic are far from beginers & if the thread is read, much knowledge can be obtained.
Two words;
Scholarly persuit
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I humbly aplogize for my brashness.
I hope all of you will forgive my overstepping my bounds.
