[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1053676]I disagree.
There many arts that cover ALL of the ranges, the question would be, how deeply do they cover those ranges, or what their emphasized range is![/quote]
what’s your experience been? Mine has been somewhat robust and “all” ranges are not addressed, certainly not any wrestling at all. throws? sure, grabs and takedowns? sure. Ground work? ZERO.
Wrong. Japanese JJ has striking and stand up fighting.
JJ is not exactly what I would call pure, although some of it is and does have stand up, JJ in GJJ or in context to sportive doesn’t employ the old ways and leans more towards trhe gracie and brazilian models fo what jj is. TO find genuine traditional japanese ju jitsu is no easy task. Many pretenders, just like tcma. lol
I know, that a lot of time they start standing up. Perhaps, one of this forum’s thousands of BJJ practitioners can enlighten us more on the truth of your statement?
You will find that the system has been modified from Judo. the stand up part is to get position to launch the takedown, after that, it’s about control and submission.
Wrong again.
Traditional Kyokushikai used to have some ground work. Also, there is at least on lineage of Okinawan Goju Ryu, that trains ground fighting.
Do you study Okinawan Karate? I did for years, and I am not wrong, you are uninformed if you think there is wrestling and grappling in these arts. there is not, not any.
Kyokushin kai was mas oyamas style. He was formerly shotokan and while mas may have dabbled in taking down bulls, Kyokushin doesn’t deal with wrestling or grappling.
You are probably right about boxing, and sport MT does not have ground fighting, but the traditional one, I am not too sure about. Perhaps, one of this forums’s thousands of MT practioners can enlighten us?
Traditional MT is the same as the sport kind, trained the same way with the same intensity. their big thing is their conditioning methods and their power kicks. they do not focus on wrestling at all unless it’s an add on to their particular camp.
I was under the impression that some clubs already did that, but I could be wrong…
Some clubs are indeed starting to do it. You’d be hard pressed to find some of the old purists doing it though. Some of the old guys are just sticks in teh mud, like a lot of people who simply refuse to continue to learn about their arts because they put themselves in a position above being a student always.
But there is an old saying and it is as true today as it ever was and especially so in context to martial arts. It is:
“The teacher who is not also a student, is neither”
Once an art starts to integrate into your life, you will know it will be a lifetime of learning even if you do teach it. You are still a student, always. In my opinion, this is the correct perspective that will produce the BEST practitioners of any art whether it is lacking a set of range skills or not.
