All of you shut up and look at this
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1054149]If you have BJJ, why would you need Chin-na?[/QUOTE]
There are still many joing locking area that BJJ does not cover.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1054159]There are still some joing locking that BBJ does not cover.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjKa1Mk6cIQ[/QUOTE]
They have that one…so does Judo ( from a kneeling position though).
if youre going to bother with standing locking than i would go with china na because quite frankly from my personal experience the Gjj self defense locks only work if you are incredibly stiff and arthritic:D
[QUOTE=MightyB;1054155]that’s what I meant… kind’ve. Hey - I like BJJ and find it to be a fascinating art all by itself but I think you answered my question:
Personally I think all real martial artists need to go to a qualified BJJ instructor and get training up to the blue belt level. IMO after Blue - it’s mostly competition BJJ stuff and if that’s not your thing, then you have enough BJJ.[/QUOTE]
Maybe purple, depending on the school.
If you are introduced to BJJ in a MMA context from the get go, 2 years is probably enough for most MA to get a solid grasp of ground work in a MMA context and be able to apply it and adapt it to their core system.
[QUOTE=goju;1054158]All of you shut up and look at this[/QUOTE]
I’m transfixed… I cannot look away… it’s like some form of alien mind control. I’m also craving donuts… mmmmm donuts.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1054159]There are still some joing locking that BBJ does not cover.
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/9972/chang1.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xjKa1Mk6cIQ[/QUOTE]
LOL… BJJ will basically incorporate anything that works. The reason you don’t see that in BJJ is because there are several techniques from there that are much more effective.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1054166]I’m transfixed… I cannot look away… it’s like some form of alien mind control. I’m also craving donuts… mmmmm donuts.[/QUOTE]
ITS LIE BEAR BUTS ITS A MAN AND YET A PIG!
HOW DO THEY DO IT MAN:eek:
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1054149]If you have BJJ, why would you need Chin-na?
What I mean is, if you take what you need from BJJ, which is far superiour on the ground than any chin-na around, you would not need ANY chin-na for the ground, would you?
Sure you can keep some of the muscle tearing and bone displacing stuff that BJJ doesn’t address, but beyond that…why?[/QUOTE]
Muscle tearing? Bone displacing? Come on dude.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1054165]Maybe purple, depending on the school.
If you are introduced to BJJ in a MMA context from the get go, 2 years is probably enough for most MA to get a solid grasp of ground work in a MMA context and be able to apply it and adapt it to their core system.[/QUOTE]
there’s definitely a world of difference between a purple and a blue. Heck - most people are in for life once they get to blue anyway. Something about being able to totally dominate people using a martial art without any of that unrealistic theory crap seems to hook 'em.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1054171]Muscle tearing? Bone displacing? Come on dude.[/QUOTE]
Hey, cut the brother some slack !
It’s not my fault that you guys don’t get sarcasam !!
I knew a guy, tiger claw dude, he could bend a wrench, roll up a frying pan, do some serious crap with his grip and guess what? HE could make that **** work for him.
Could I? Nope.
Could you? Nope.
Could 99& of the people here? Nope.
But he could and that is where some of these “tales” come from, the genetic freaks that make them famous.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1054172]there’s definitely a world of difference between a purple and a blue. Heck - most people are in for life once they get to blue anyway. Something about being able to totally dominate people using a martial art without any of that unrealistic theory crap seems to hook 'em.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, it can be very addicting, beating people without having to bruise your little girl hands !
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1054177]Yeah, it can be very addicting, beating people without having to bruise your little girl hands !
:p[/QUOTE]
True dat. Plus I don’t like getting hit anymore. I’m getting old man… gett’n old.
ive broken my nose twice and im too pretty to get it broken any more so grappling has become more appealing to me
ill still make fun of it though:D
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1054168]LOL… BJJ will basically incorporate anything that works. The reason you don’t see that in BJJ is because there are several techniques from there that are much more effective.[/QUOTE]
Please notice that the person who applied the TCMA “knee hold” still remained his own mobility and not fully committed himself on the ground. That means he could take of anytime he wanted to.
How about this one? Easy to use with high successful rate in bar fight.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1054190]How about this one?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyxwMVnpV3c[/QUOTE]
Yeah, BJJ has that as part of the standup “self-defense”. Like all two on one’s where you stand directly in front of your opponent and tie up both of your own hands while leaving one of his free to smash you in the face, it’s kind of a dumb move.
BJJ’s standing “self-defense” techs suffer the same disconnect as many of the TMAs… they never actually practice them for real. Kind of amazing that an art that is so much about being full on application, completely disconnects from that in the “self-defense” realm.
[QUOTE=Knifefighter;1054198]BJJ’s standing “self-defense” techs suffer the same disconnect as many of the TMAs… [/QUOTE]
It will still work if your opponent is “stupid” enough to push you.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1054204]It will work if your opponent is stupid enough to push you.[/QUOTE]
No it won’t, because while you are grabbing his finger (and this is a big if in being able to do that under dynamic conditions where an opponent is actually pushing) he is doing one of two things- punching you in the face while you are grabbing the finger, or using his other hand to take away your 2 on 1 advantage.
If you can drop your opponent by that move, you don’t have to worry about his other hand. It depends on who is faster and more experienced. Don’t always assume your opponent is BS, you can be BMF too.
[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1054208]If you can drop your opponent by that move, you don’t have to worry about his other hand. It depends on who is faster and more experienced.[/QUOTE]
There’s nothing wrong with finger breaks and they can be effective. But you sure don’t do them the way that was shown on that clip. Pretty stupid to set yourself up to get punched in the face if you are not fast enough.