Originally posted by R Loewenhagen
[B][QUOTE]Originally posted by yuanfen
[B]On Chan, WCK etc---- WCK is not a system of philosophy but a martial art form.
My Reply:
"I do not know your credentials in systems science, but I am a systems scientist and a board certified systems engineer.
I have reviewed the Chi Sim Weng Chun and Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun “Systems” in significant detail and I can assure you they meet all criteria for defining a complete “system”."
I respect your view. --HS
“I can also tell you that, regardless of where you might think their Chan roots originate, they believe the origination is Shaolin, and their ancestors believed the same.”
A system engineer has to prove, simulate, and test the system to pin point the dominante pole location…
He can’t just take “they belive” to asume the system (say, an airplane) is stable. (in the airplane analogy, it costs live if the assumsion is wrong.) -HS
“At a minimum, if you take the time to study their systems and their Chan, you will find both greatly rewarding and truly rich in wisdom and science that delves far deeper into physiology”
There is only Chan. The is no Their Chan or Mine Chan.
Just with this term “Their Chan” any Chan practitioner will ask one to go back to cultivate more. -HS
"and battlefield combat knowledge (complete with valid strategies and tactics formulated on life and death struggle, not “ring” maneuvering) than any of the modern expressions of Wing Chun. "
I respect your novel intention to link Chan to WCK.
However,
See, as a system engineer one cannot rely on “they belive”
to set the dominante pole for system stabillity compensation of an airplane.
That cost life and it is a great responsibility if it is wrong.
And all of these are documented.
So, when the plane crush at take off people know where and who one will look for. -HS
“Perhaps it is time to start acknowledging that not all Wing Chun lineages owe their ultimate roots to stage performers in the Red Opera.”
Perhaps it is time to revise your article----
Rediscovering The Roots of Wing Chun in KungFu ChiGong. -HS
In page 34, it says
"Hung Fa Yi became the primary combat system of the secret societies…
For the next Century, both Chi Sim and Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun…"
As a system engineer,
One needs to support one’s claim with evidents. --HS
"In page 65 it says
The second phase of Wing Chun Development, Modification…
As a resut of this transition, Wing Chun outside the Hung Fa Yi tradition began to discard its scientific orientation and revert back to a focus based on individual expressions and personal experience…
Yip Man and GuLau…
Others lineages include Pao Fa Lien…Cho Family…"
How much do you know others and my lineage before jump into the conclusion. -HS
As for Chan,
WCK people don’t have to go around and around travel to China.
Read this from the Yong Jia Da Shi Zheng Dao Ge
or Yong Jia’s enlightenment Song.
Yong Jia was an enlightenment Chan master in Tang Dynasty.
He makes this song after he achieved enlightenment to help
others who practicing Chan.
“Decisively here I say
Revealing the true vehicle
However, There will be people who wouldn’t honestly admit.
Directly interupt the root and source is the seal from the Buddha
Plugging the leafs searching for the branch is not what I would do”
Don’t we all WCK
Go direct to the center line?
What is the original teaching?
What get modified?
Note:
Hope that this being taken as a discussion only.
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