It is amazin that how different things can be link together.
a, What is BaiFut ( Praying to buddha) got to do with Chan?
One is out of one’s mind. Hey apple is not banana.
b, How Can one be called Chan master when one doesn’t have a clue what Chan is.
The Buddha will die puke blood. Ha Ha Ha
C, What is Iron body Iron palm got to do with Siu Lien Tau?
Wing Chun will shake her head and laugh at the creativity.
Sure add in Hung Gar also to make WCK more complete and original.
D. What Does Tan Sau Ng got to do with Siu Lien Tau?
where is the “beef”?
" Strange Strange,
Strange Strange,
the grandmother married the grandSon.
The goats and cows become the guests
While family Relative cook in the Hot pot " — Chee Kung Chang Master.
You ask me if I love you
And I choke on my reply
I’d rather hurt you honestly
Than mislead you with a lie
For who am I to judge you
In what you say or do ..
But then, years later when everything converges why do one want to be in a position where people know one is making history, with the evidents from all those books and articles one published?
The first teaching of Chan to the lay people is about compassionate.
Meaning don’t misslead oneself and others in illusion.
The way I see it, there are always elements of myth and of history in our stories. Is WCK a Chan from inception? Does Tan Sao Ng have a direct connection to WCK? These are subjects intelligent, professional adults will debate and have differences of opinions on. But beyond that, they have the power of story, of romance and legend. In the old days, as now, arts needed to survive and those who passed on the arts needed hooks to do so. Then, like now, the better the story the more desirable the art and the fuller the rice bowl.
Nowadays, people and arts with no connection at all to Bruce Lee still trumpet his name and pay homage to his image because it is an element of their story, and something that helps them flourish.
Its like a movie in the end. A laymen will OO and Ah and get drawn in by the spectacular driving, amazing surgery, thrilling psychology, or marvelous stories. A driver, surgeon, psychologist, or writer will see the technical exercise and likely quip about the many less-than-realistic parts.
Sometimes when we touch-hands,
There’s honestly too much-hands
And I have to shield my groin and sigh…
I wanna beat you till you die
Or at least break down and cry,
I wanna beat you till this rage in me, SUBSIDES!
On Chan, WCK etc---- Chinese culture has made differerent quite practical syntheses of quite varying pholosophies. So discussion of pure Chan and pure Daoism or Confucuanism
in wc is somewhat pointless. But the sam pai fat symbolism does have
mahayana chan buddhist roots. Its not just the bow but there are the prayer hands… a form of “mudra”(hand shape) well known in the Indian roots in the transmission of Budddhism.
Mudras are sources of power. WCK is not a system of philosophy but a martial art form. One of many. But forms of expression are influenced by the cultural environment which ultimately has different intertwined ideas at its roots. The average practitioner couldnt care less about the deeper symbolisms- which is fine.
One of the difficulties in comparative discussions is the smuggling in of western categories of thought(Catholicism v Protestantism)
in discussing Buddhism and Taoism…which are not mutually exclusive as are western religions for the most part.
Hand forms like the prayer hands can have ritual or martial significance (wu),oh well-- back to hendrik’s soliloquies…
om wallah padme hum
While Chan training might not be a conscious focus in all lineages of Wing Chun, Hung Fa Yi and Chi Sim both make it a primary focus… Personally, I only speak about that with which I have experience. Your lineage may not focus on Chan but that doesn’t mean other lineages cannot.
As for Chan’s connection to martial arts, check out Zen and the Martial Arts over at the Zen Buddhist Order of Hsu Yun’s website.
I’ve found the 7th World of Chan to be quite interesting and useful to be personally.
Jeremy R.
And for the song references, how 'bout:
Row row row your boat,
Gently down the stream.
Merily, merily, merily, merily,
Life is but a dream…
“But the sam pai fat symbolism does have
mahayana chan buddhist roots.”
Does Chan teaches to Bai (pray ) to Buddha or Kill Buddha?
Pai fat is also used as the code for attacking the Fat San city.
So, is it that “Chan buddhist” or mahayana, or just by the name of Jesus…
" Its not just the bow but there are the prayer hands… a form of “mudra”(hand shape) well known in the Indian roots in the transmission of Budddhism. "
The prayer hand has been used by the Daoist for hundreds of years.
So, What will the Daoist says when doing Prayer hand?
“Bai Fat”?
