[QUOTE=WC1277;1123551]Yeah because there’s plenty of bad practioners within any system…[/QUOTE]
This is true but whether he was good or bad makes no difference. It was a long time ago and I have moved on. Maybe you are suggesting that had he been good I may have stayed??? I don’t think so because I feel that the WSL lineage is head and shoulders above the others but even in my lineage there are charlatans!
GH
Good point, we need to stop thinking that just because you have a certain teacher doesnt mean they got beyond a basic level of understanding vt. You are the only one who can walk ariund and compare…like GH said, WSL lineage also has its own charlatans.
The hardest part I found was the ‘in-your-face’ nature of the system.
But it’s what molded me into a better person overall.
Thank you to everyone else who has continued to contribute to the idea of this thread even though Graham and Hardwork have turned it like every other wing chun thread into an arguing match. It seems like Graham gets his panties tightened when we ask him anything regarding any kung fu he has done unless he mentions it himself first. Fine Graham you’ve done all the best styles and know what you’re talking about. Now go train and stop wasting your time arguing on this forum.
FWIW- getting the bong sao right was a problem for me back in 1976. Got corrected, figured it out,
applied it- and I was ok.
My advancing steps are likely to be different from yours. Proper distance between the heels
and the knees working together got me on my way.
First I learned how to punch from the yee gee kim yeung ma- then chor ma showed me how to turn
and link all the joints. The hips were links in the chain of power.Not loading up on the shoulder as in boxing was one of the game changers.
Just commenting on the subject of your thread.
joy chaudhuri
thanks for ur input sifu Joy thats exactly the type of stuff I was looking for. I had trouble with bong sao at first also coming from a hard style background like taekwondo. I thought I had the stepping right at first in wing chun but I realized I had a lot of work to do. Such as lifting ur feet completely off the ground when you/slide step forward can be a bad thing.
vertical punch with 1-5 joints
[QUOTE=shaolin_allan;1120881]For those of you who had previous martial arts experience, when you started learning wing chun what parts of the system did you find yourself to have the most trouble learning or adapting to? For me coming from other styles such as karate and taekwondo I had a lot of trouble at first with the fighting stance footwork for the advancing steps. Also it was difficult getting used to the punching without turning my hips to generate the power.[/QUOTE]
I was taught that you punch using 1-5 joints. If you’re in bridge hands and you punch with the front hand using wrist only you are practicing or using Bruce Lee’s one inch punch. You start with the elbow and then fire the wrist and use those two joints. you can start with the shoulder turn into a side body, fire the elbow then the wrist. Or you can use all 5 joints and start by twisting the ankle, twist the hips, turn your shoulder into a side body, shot the elbow and torque the wrist. Now that punch has traveled 10 feet or so depending on your height and now has a lot of power behind a punch that seems to traveling a short distance.
[QUOTE=shaolin_allan;1123762]Thank you to everyone else who has continued to contribute to the idea of this thread even though Graham and Hardwork have turned it like every other wing chun thread into an arguing match.[/QUOTE]
Sorry shaolin_allan, my intention was not to turn this thread into an argument, but in a world where REAL grandmasters still claim to be learning kung fu and even suggest looking into other TCMAs to enhance one’s knowledge, I find it hard to swallow when relative amateurs think that they have found their “ultimate fist”, because they have practiced a dozen other TMA arts with god knows who, in a world where over 90% of TCMA is Mcdojo material.
[QUOTE=Graham H;1123316]So why do I need to do that? Once you have driven a great motor car and you are happy with it why go and test drive any more? [/QUOTE]
Hey, there is never any harm and potentially a lot to gain to keep yourself updated in new developments as regards motor cars. 
[QUOTE=Graham H;1123316]So what are we talking about? Hung Gar? Done it! Tai Chi Chuan? Done it! Praying Mantis? Done it! Hop Gar? Done it! Lau gar? Done it! Ip Chun Wing Chun? Done it! Ip Ching Wing Chun? Done it! Sam Kwok Wing Chun? Done it! Leung Ting Wing Tsun? Yuk! Augustine Fong Wing Chun? Done it! Maybe some Japaneze stuff? Wado Ryu? Done it! Ninjitsu? Done it! Kenpo? Done it! Maybe I could go to a decent Boxing club…oh yeah done that as well!..you want me to carry on??? My horizons don’t need expanding my friend???[/QUOTE]
Most of the arts you mention above will take decades to fully understand, that is if you had actually found authentic instruction, which there is around 95% chance that you didn’t.
[QUOTE=Graham H;1123316]I’ll tell you one thing dude…if somebody can fight they can fight…it makes no difference what style they do.
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Actually it does make a difference what style they do. Take two people “who can fight”, put one in a lousy TMA school and put another in top class fighting oriented TMA school (conditioning and all), then make them fight after 5 years of training in their respective schools. Who would you put your money on?
[QUOTE=Graham H;1123316]Fighters can make anything work! You don’t even need Martial Arts if you like to scrap and I have met some scary people and funnily enough they haven’t been to a martial art club in their lives!
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Don’t tell me about scary people because I live in Colombia. So my scary people would probably scare the cr@p out of your scary people.
[QUOTE=Graham H;1123316]Shame you don’t live close to me…you could come around and show me the light! LOL
GH[/QUOTE]
Interesting concept, showing you the light, by knocking out your lights! 
I think this thread is finito. We did manage to keep the point going for a while and found some common ground between students new to wing chun which was insightful. I wouldn’t say its ending on a good note but we got some value out of it.
i went over to wing chun from boxing/MMA so found everything difficult!
mainly weight distribution, punch technique and yielding to a greater force for example shifting with a bong sau…
For me the foorwork and stance are the biggest working point for now. I’ve always been used standing on the ball of my feet.
Never the less I still have a long way to go.