Do any of you on this forum believe that there is chi within wing chun? If so, do any of you practice the forms with this in mind? Also, did your teacher ever talk about the internal aspects of wing chun and do you know of any sifus that do understand the internal side?
I am wondering because the more that I am learning about wing chun, the more I want to explore the internal side of it. Don’t get me wrong though, I am still into learning how to fight with it, but the internal aspects are just really interesting to me. Any help would be appreciated, like links or books.
Thanks
P.S. I’ve asked my sifu and he doesn’t know anything about it. He’s asked his sifu and he doesn’t believe in it.
Hello.
Many consider that Wing Chun is both internal and external. We could say that the first part of SLT has a chi (Or internal) developing aspect.
We could also say that chi is everywhere in life.
Wing Chun does not depend on that idea to be effective or interresting. Call it “Chi” or call it effective motions throught relaxation, body alignement and unity and preciseness. The results are there, solids and tangibles.
For the most part, Wing Chun has not appeared to put much emphasis on chi development and control, aside from the whole “intention” concept that many sifus preach about in SLT.
“Let your mind move the tan sau” is a load, which does not illustrate much, or any understanding of this concept.
Though Wing Chun may not necessarily depend on the concept of chi to be “effective or interesting”, it will improve your Wing Chun, if you train it. Knowing about it and interchanging the word “chi” with “body alignment” and “relaxation” is not enough.
I was sure I was going to get an enlighted correction from you Whippinghand!..Thanks!..
Oh! BTW…Could you please (If it’s not too much to ask) Share with us How you train “IT”…(I assume you train it if you talk about it!)
No. But thank you for the compliment. I know that your pretense of not needing answers is just a cover up for the fact that you look up to me for them.
hey whippy my wing chun brother
that was very thought provoking, although i do seem to be missing the piont.(but that’s what you get with someone with as little knowledge as me)
but anyways keep up those solid answers & i’m sure you’ll have everyone converted to your way of thinking in no time.
vts
ps i was typing this when your only answer was no.
i much prefer the edited version though
old jong, my god man, i thought you were more in love with me
hey old jong & whippy
excuse my ignorance(and laziness for not bothering to look) but how far from toronto to montreal.
it seems to me like you pair could hook up for a blind date or something.
i know that i would personally like to here if there really is love in the air.
vts
Oh, sorry.. I thought this was a chat room for sweaty old men typing one handed for a second, not a forum for kung fu.
In relation to the original question, I’ve never been taught any concept of chi when training. This is not to say we’re not using it, perhaps we just simply aren’t aware of it.
The closest I’ve ever knowingly come was trying to use Tsui Seung Tin’s concepts of Nim Lik when doing Sil Lim Tao.. someone posted the article in question a while ago.
virtually all martial arts have internal training in them. Wing Chun has it to but it’s not to the degree that internal styles like Tai Chi have. Shaolin, Wing CHun, Hung Gar all that has internal stuff. Especially Hung Gar. Wing Chun I guess the chi applies to your punch because of close range and explosive power but then again you can develop it into fa-jing and get Bruce Lee’s inch power thing. bha hahah
whippy, why is it that everytime I step out of here for a little bit that I come back to find that you have aggrevated other forum members? have you no loyalty? you’re only supposed to fight with me!!!
anyways, does wing chun have chi? nope. it has “intention” but no chi that is developed through our techniques nor chi that can be utilized during an actual fight. I am talking about Yip Man wing chun here since I have heard that Shaolin versions might have some internal aspects…
For those who continually argue that wing chun has chi and this or that, try fighting advanced Hung Gar or Mantis practioners. Hung Gar fighters can break your arms or legs just from chi and a little bit of “ging”. I Wing Chun artist I know also did Hung Gar before. A Wing Chun guy tired to enter on his sifu with the front leg making contact with the sifu’s front leg. As soon as the wing chun guy touched it, he flew back and his leg was broken. That’s tid seen kuen for you :eek:
There are also mantis masters who can literally shred the wood off of wooden dummies from their “ging”. That’s b/c it’s chi-based. Wing Chun is a great system and all but we’re pretty limited in terms of being “complete”. We lack ground-fighting, locking, weapons (only have two), and chi. True, some of these might not be needed, but having them wouldn’t hurt
I believe there is. I dont know to what degree chi, or energy or this strong level of awarness compares to the likes of of other arts (such as the renound 3 majorly known internal styles: Tai Chi, Baguazhang and Xingyi [i have heard these are on another level altogether]). But I believe it exists.
I think, however that WC is such a gret system that it can be effective even without the idea of chi being trained. (but i feel it can be better with the idea trained).
It is no secret that TST’s approach is internal, and his feats (ie the amazing amounts of force he can absorb and the size of people he can handle with ease is testomony to this) I know many people believe they are tricks etc… but I believe otherwise. My sifu learnt under TST and is a female that can handle men many times stronger than herself… Do you think thats internal? Make up you own mind! (and even if they are tricks…i want to learn these tricks)
virtually all martial arts have internal training in them.
((Survey research??))
Wing Chun I guess the chi applies to your punch because of close range and explosive power but then again you can develop it into fa-jing and get Bruce Lee’s inch power thing. bha hahah
Wing Chun is a Southern Chinese martial art, and as such doesn’t really employ the “Neijia” language of the North in talking about what they do. So, while you’ll see references to Hei (Qi/Chi in Cantonese), such as “internally cultivate one breath of air”, or “breathe deeply and conserve the Hei”, you won’t see the same academic or complex Hei/Qi stuff you find in arts like Taijiquan, etc. Likewise, you’ll see references to Noi-Gung (Neigong) rather than Noi-Ga (Nei-jia).
Wing Chun is also a product of a time and place where survival was more important than in some earlier, more peaceful times and places where beauty and health were the focus. Since it is a Chinese MA, based on centuries of what came before, however, if you study TCM and Qigong, you can probably find a lot of things in WCK to explore.
