Part II
(I don’t know of any other lineage holders but then I also don’t know of any other Yin styles lines either, but I live in the US so I imagine that they are in China and have yet to come to the west to teach. Unless you can say where you read or heard this I don’t feel it has any validity.)
LOL, I answered this above.
(Why would you say that “There is a great deal of speculation in Beijing as to whether Mr. Xie studied very expensively with Men Baojen or not.” Does someone else clame to be the lineage holder? Dr. Xie didn’t train with Yin Fu because he was dead by then. If the Dr. didn’t learn from Men than where did he get this knolage? He noted only Men as his teacher)
Where did he get his knowledge?
What do you know about it? You was told this, where is your proof of truth?
It’s not to say that what Shi and He are teaching is fake but rather is what they are teaching in fact the end all be all of it. Just because no one claimed it doesn’t mean that it’s not known or what Shi now calls it is not known by another name.
Many top masters don’t even teach. Some lived and died and never had a student. Most of the greatest masters are totally unknown. There is a very high master of the Gong Bao Tian lineage living in NY’s Chinatown who teaches no one except My brother BT, and that’s only because of his dedication to training and keeping the art real and not some dancing philosopher. Chen Xiao Ping Only started teaching because he saw how hard me and BT trained and even then was vary cautious with what he taught until he was very comfortable in knowing that it wouldn’t be a waste of his time.
(Omarthe fish–as I understand it there are indoor disciples and there are lineage holders both are not the same. A lineage holder did learn the hold system and the indoor disciple is just an openly trainind person who is going to be trained without the teacher holding back info. I’m not saying that I’m right or your wrong this is just as I understand it pertaining to my training.)
There have been many instances where the indoor student was more knowledgeable than the lineage holder. I gave you one with the Yin Fu Lineage, another is the Yang family Tai Chi. Yang Cheng Fu didn’t begin to train until after his father died and that only happened because the senior student’s being loyal to the master locked Yang Cheng Fu up and made him train. Because of this, even though he eventually earned the name “invincible Cheng”, he never reached his full potential because his heart wasn’t in it in the beginning and the amount of wasted time before it set in. Again, you know nothing.
(I have read alot of the songs and most of them concure with what He Jinbao has tought me.)
Really? A lot of what your saying doesn’t concur with the song’s at all. Earlier I pointed them out and will continue to do so.
(After training for 5 years I’d say I’m no longer a newbie your an ass to think so.)
Again, wrong. Being a westerner, Kung Fu is not part of your life, nor is it part of your culture. At best you’ve just entered the intermediate stage and your just starting to see through the fog that clouds your vision, and this statement applies to most.
I learned that in order for anyone to be good in the Martial Arts 3 things are needed
- A good teacher, 2) A good method (as far as how it taught to the individual), and 3) innate talent. Any thing less, the results will be just that. Your standard will not be that high.
(also I went to this place called school and they made you learn by reading so I’d have to say you must have missed out on that if you think reading doesn’t help you understand things.)
You don’t learn the Martial Arts by reading. You learn by doing. Reading gives you an idea, but after doing hands on for a while, you’ll throw the books away. They may point in the direction but are hardly the destination.
In the end, there is much I didn’t say to a lot of what you’ve written but you need to do a lot of research if really learning is your true goal.
After reading what you’ve written I originally intended to tell you all the forms of your style, but I’ve changed my mind because you need to search on your own. Many have tried to talk to you and your adamant with your stand and such bull headedness offends me. But I will give you a little of what you asked for:
(-In your style do you train:
1)standing postures?
2)singular strikes?
3)changes if so what are names?)
Standing Postures:
San Choy (San Ti)
Embrace
Hawk
Hanging Leg
T-stance
Ma Bu
Classic Guard Stance
Moving Postures: (Changes)
Single and Double palm
8 Mother Palms and the changes according to the 3 Basin they are practiced in.
Singular Strikes:
Various Palms such as the Pounding palm, Sweeping palm, Tornado palm, Reverse palm, etc… and these are combined a various points depending on goal.
The same holds for the kicks.
By the way:
(THE ENTIRE STYLE OF YBS HAS:
-72 postures(8 are circle turning postures)
-96+ strikes
-448 changes
-72 leg tech.s(monkey contains most the leg strikes)
What happened to the:
168 Stabbing Palms
504 free hand exercises
72 straight-line fighting sets
72 counter Qinna exercises and the
72 striking points?
You said that what you wrote was the entire system and I still left some out. Come on man.
Anyway back to me.
64 palms
64 palms two man set
72 Kicks
Anti Qinna methods
Rou Shou
Push hands
Free sparring
Two man conditioning methods
Apparatus conditioning methods
Weapons:
Staff
Spear
Double head Spear
Big Dao
Straight sword
Fan
Deerhorn Knives
Judges Pen
Chain Whip
And so that you understand, I’ve trained a variety of Ba-Gua styles over the years and these are all part of my practice and teaching methods.
You may feel dissed, but the way you come off, I don’t care but hopefully you may take heed to some of this.
Anyway I’m out.
Practice doesn’t make perfect, Perfect practice makes perfect.
I start grasping a concept or finally getting a part of my body to cooperate and I am handed something new. ARRGGHHHHH!!!