Whoa! When did ewallace get back?
lol! I think it was a drive by posting!
wherethehell you been, man?
Merde kinda hit the ventilator around these parts and…okay no more excuses. I didn’t like Red5, and KC Elbows hurt my feelings, so I put my tail between my legs, got my toys, and ran home.
don’t like me!!! :eek: Last time I heard you were trying to figure out a way to get me to marry you, in massechusettes somewhere…
Originally posted by ewallace
Sevenstar couldn’t smash anyone thru a wall made in 8th grade shop class, and the only coffee table would actually be part of a little girls’ tea set. He won’t talk about the rest of the night because Righty got too drunk.
LOL, its a good routine, gets you in the sack every time. My turn next Sevenstar.
I knew Red5 was a midget.
Sorry for the thread jack. I have to get warmed up around here again.
is that what turns you on about me ew 
big boy…smooches…
“do you think that the martial science types do not express their movement in fighting?”
At the risk of stereotyping, my opinion of the martial science types is that they limit themselves to very few tried and true moves and don’t care to risk variation. They have no interest in displaying any unique ‘style’ and seem to prefer to stick with basic, straight up fighting.
Style fighting, to me, would be more elaborate moves like drunken boxing or mimicing animals. It’s easier to defend when you know the moves that will be used against you. The artist will paint a more varied fighting picture.
I’m not saying one is right, wrong or better. Just pointing out my view of the difference.
Martial Science when the stakes are high with a skilled opponent but whip out the Martial Art when you can afford to play a little and be creative in your azz whooping.
For me, Martial Art is more fun. Martial Science is too clinical and bores me.
Just my opinion.
expression is everywhere in fighting. Even among the “tried and true” techniques, compare tyson to lewis. They know the exact same techniques, but look at the way that each of them employ them - is that not expression? Also, check out bjj and judo - PLENTY of expression there.
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Compared to Kung Fu western boxing is BORING!!!
I’m not saying they have no expression, just that compared to Chinese Kung Fu or even Karate it’s just a small handfull of moves. BORING!!!
Why do you think they call it the sweet science? Ever hear of Boxing Art?
Much more fun taking out legs, twisting arms and raining elbows.
A couple of punches with cushy gloves on, BORING!!!
How much flair, or art, can you put into a left jap - right hook?
BORING!!!
“compare tyson to lewis”
So, one is SLIGHTLY less boring than the other.
Of course it is a little bit more interesting than a couple of guys hugging on the ground for 15 minutes. 
yeah, maybe butterfly kicks, tornado kicks and kip ups are more fun to watch than someone getting the utter crap knocked out of them… 
Too bad old greek boxing is not still around that would have been some neat stuff to watch. I bet you it was more akin to kung fu than modern western boxing.
I know from Tai Chi training that forms along with standing does help your push hands.
You can’t learn to fight with push hands either. :eek:
Hell yes, “someone getting the utter crap knocked out of them” with a butterfly kick would be much more exciting but I’m not holding my breath waiting for it to happen anytime soon.
Mixing some slick moves together to take someone out is more ‘artistic’, IMO, than a one punch knockout.
You like the one punch knockouts, fine. I like to jack joints and draw blood. One punch knockouts are clinical, not artistic.
Sometimes I think you argue just for the sake of arguing. Let’s try this analogy:
Two painters, one only uses 2 colors and paints only straight lines.
The other uses a variety of colors and paints lines, circles, arcs, etc.
Which one is limited in his artistic expression?
If you say the first CAN be artistic then you’re missing the point, or arguing for the sake of arguing. You’ll never convince me that the first can be as creative and artistic as the other.
Originally posted by count
You can’t learn to fight with push hands either.
True, but I see things like push hands and chi sao as probably third best behind sparring and drilling.
Hua Lin Laoshi,
These things aren’t as black and white as you put them.
joedoe,
Useful, but again, if that’s all you do, you’ll make bad habits. Leave openings. You fight the way you train.
I don’t disagree that all these things are important in training. But it’s important to know what you are training for.
Originally posted by count
[B]Hua Lin Laoshi,
These things aren’t as black and white as you put them.
joedoe,
Useful, but again, if that’s all you do, you’ll make bad habits. Leave openings. You fight the way you train.
I don’t disagree that all these things are important in training. But it’s important to know what you are training for. [/B]
Yup, agreed.
Originally posted by count
You can’t learn to fight with push hands either.
you can learn a hell of a lot from push hands. and silk reeling.
but like someone said, dont limit yourself to thats all you do. you see a taichi master doing something else.