some ignorant people like to deride the use of forms, yet practicing forms has been established and continued for thousands of years even still to this day… why on earth should we believe that forms have suddenly become obsolete in the face of modern McMartial Arts??? 
For thousands of years the Etoro of New Guinea believe you’re born with a limited supply of semen and boys perform oral sex for men to receive their sperm for later use in life. Just because something has always been done a certain way doesn’t mean its correct. Only an idiot blindly follows tradition.
[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1064447]Only an idiot blindly follows tradition.[/QUOTE]so MMA is the new tradition, eh?? 
Ladies and Gentlemen, the Pharisees have spoken, take your places and make your bets!
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1064451]Ladies and Gentlemen, the Pharisees have spoken, take your places and make your bets![/QUOTE]bah… the pharisee’s have a temple that has been torn in two.
[QUOTE=uki;1064452]bah… the pharisee’s have a temple that has been torn in two. :D[/QUOTE]
…or possibly three, maybe 4, but who’s counting?
[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1064447]For thousands of years the Etoro of New Guinea believe you’re born with a limited supply of semen and boys perform oral sex for men to receive their sperm for later use in life. Just because something has always been done a certain way doesn’t mean its correct. Only an idiot blindly follows tradition.[/QUOTE]
There’s a tribe of pedo bears?
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1064453]…or possibly three, maybe 4, but who’s counting?[/QUOTE]good question. 
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1064454]There’s a tribe of pedo bears?[/QUOTE]he is obviously an expert on the subject.
[QUOTE=uki;1064457]he is obviously an expert on the subject. :D[/QUOTE]
vacation planning is all the rage I hear…
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1064458]vacation planning is all the rage I hear…[/QUOTE]it’s all about quantity and not quality…
[QUOTE=uki;1064461]it’s all about quantity and not quality…[/QUOTE]
but which bear is the best bear?
HINT:
[QUOTE=David Jamieson;1064464]but which bear is the best bear?[/QUOTE]papa bear has the biggest bed, chair, and bowl of porridge.
[QUOTE=uki;1064465]papa bear has the biggest bed, chair, and bowl of porridge.[/QUOTE]
Incorrect, it is:
that looks like the record setting 875 lb black bear shot near me that was hand fed and ate out of dumpsters… some dumb a$$ redneck claimed this poor ursus and brags about it now… :mad:
i dont frown on chocolate i know it tastes nice and looks good sometimes, but everyone knows its the “meat and potatoes” that provide the nutrition
same with forms they look pretty, but for the most part dont do nearly as much for you as fighting lifting weights sparring and hitting the bag.
Forms can break monotony. And doing some forms with really heavy weapons are decent and fun workout. But the number of martial arts that produce competent fighters in the complete absence of forms is all you need to see the irrelevance of forms in the grand scheme of things. But hey people always turn a blind eye to the obvious so whatever.
Anyways the original premise of this thread is flawed to begin with. Forms have not become obsolete in the face of MMA. They were always inadequate training tools to begin with. Its only recently because of things like MMA that people are actually giving a crap and calling it out. But lets be real martial artists have always been a bit of a joke to the majority of people anyways so whatever. At least down here. You tell someone you did karate or whatever then prepare to get hazed.
[QUOTE=uki;1064442]some ignorant people like to deride the use of forms, yet practicing forms has been established and continued for thousands of years even still to this day… why on earth should we believe that forms have suddenly become obsolete in the face of modern McMartial Arts??? :D[/QUOTE]
Good post Uki.
Most people who generalise about forms in calling them out and out useless have never practiced kung fu for real and could not use it to save their lives. Of course, this does not mean that the same people can’t fight proficiently using other methodlogies, but their other skills are irrelevant when they are discussing and demeaning TCMA methodologies that they do not understand, in a TCMA forum.
As for forms. I would say that there is more than one type of forms training. Before one can say that this type of training is useless, one has to know the different forms training methodologies. How many of those people who disgard forms here in this forum know of these different forms training methodologies?
Another point I would like to make is that it is true that one, depending on the TCMA style he practices, can learn to use kung fu techniques without forms practice, but that does not mean that forms are “useless”, “out of date” or “fantasy”, as promoted by our resident glorified kickboxers.
Forms have their place in TCMA methodologies as a part of multilevel training which will involve external and internal conditioning, two man training, IP and so on.
bas ruttens comments on the usefulness of kata pretty much sums it up
they are just a god work out if done with full speed and power and are good to build coordination when you first start out
[QUOTE=SoCo KungFu;1064447]For thousands of years the Etoro of New Guinea believe you’re born with a limited supply of semen and boys perform oral sex for men to receive their sperm for later use in life. Just because something has always been done a certain way doesn’t mean its correct. Only an idiot blindly follows tradition.[/QUOTE]
There are hundreds of thousands of people being “hurt”, or killed by modern medicine and medical practices, not to mention scientifically developed food additives.
That does not mean that “only an idiot” would follow modern science!