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(judgements of Liu (not by you but by others) creates a problem since he is dead and can’t respond to them).

I myself only post Facts or truth conforming to Ba Gua Zhang, and when I post my statement of opinion, people up here seem to get very upset.

I know one thing…Liu Yun Chiao
didn’t learn with Gong officially. And what he did learn was for maybe 2 years. That’s about it. That post training you talk about must be from
another style of Ba Gua Zhang training methods, because I don’t know of any other Gong style that has it.

Be talking to you.

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Originally posted by blacktaoist

I know one thing…Liu Yun Chiao
didn’t learn with Gong officially. And what he did learn was for maybe 2 years. That’s about it.

Hey, I thought you were through. You know, maybe it was 2 years, maybe three, at least that’s what my teacher tells us. Still, privately one on one for 8 hours a day must stand for something. Especially for someone as reputable and masterful as Liu already was. What’s the point? Official recognition? I have a half a dozen published articles where Gong’s family give Liu recognition. But I think if you understand what RAF elucidated in his post, it won’t be an issue any longer. I know it’s not one for me.

LOL wujidude.

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My apologies to you Blacktaoist and the readers in general for I am going to remove my posts and exit from this particular discussion. This gives everyone the option of starting over with a clean bill of health.

I promised myself that if this type of discussion happened again that I would not be part of it. It reflects very poorly upon my teacher and this is definitely not his way or Liu’s way of handling things.

This isn’t about anything written by others and only about what my writing reflects–its a poor reflection of what I learned as a formal student in the Wu Tan(g) system.

Sorry Count, I promised not to withdrawal but I don’t like how I have responded. Its tiring and far too defensive.

I will be in contact with you BT to take you up on your most gracious offer when I travel to Beijing.

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RAF

I for one understand. But I think your posts are constuctive and interesting. Don’t delete!

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Sorry Count, its done.

I just didn’t like what I wrote.

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Oh man

Now he’ll never get what I meant. Oh well, I’m out of this one too.:cool:

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wujidude,

I don’t know Hong Qaun that well, But I know his Ba Gua teacher, the man knows a lot of Real information about Gong Bao Tian style of Ba Gua Zhang. Hong Qaun teacher is the real Deal in my book. I would train with Hong Qaun teacher, But right now I don’t have time.

I met Tomasz teacher for just a visit. I don’t want to say anything about his teacher. So I think you should go to Beijing and see his teacher in action yourself, that way you can form your opinion about Tomasz Yin style teacher martial skill level.

For now on I’m going to keep my opinion to myself, and stop posting on KFO because I’m not getting any knowledge exchange from anybody up here anyway.

Its a big waste of my time. From what I see up here, people want to live in a big fantasy world of internal martial arts and so -called high level internal masters.

Raf,

I don’t read much about your Style lineage, But I know a few people that practice Gong Bao Tian style. So I get my information from them.

This have not to do with the skills of your teachers or lineage. Why do you guys get so upset over someone opinion. I’m no expert on Yin Style Ba Gua Zhang, I just told you my opinion on what I don’t see in you guys Ba Gua Zhang method, thats all.

For one I can careless about form. What matters is can you utilize the Ba Gua form you are practicing in real combat. Your martial art brother Count post a statement saying:

But we do say it is dragon style Bagua. Nothing to do with palms mind you. Its dragon energy in the body.

I have to say he is dead wrong in my opinion.

First of all, from the first day a person learn Ba Gua Zhang they are learning about dragon energy in the body, what the hell you think the circle walk is all about.

You Guys sometimes make me …LOL

The palms do have a lot to do with Ba Gua Zhang, so I don;'t see how you think they don’t. unless you practice your palms with no energy, then I can see why you would say something like that.

In Ba Gua Zhang a practitioner must first master the techniques of, rise(Ch’i), Drill(Tsuan) Fall (Lo) overturn (fan) if you don’t master these few techniques. Then in my opinion you don’t know Ba Gua Zhang, you just know the outer form and book philosophy.

Anyway this is my last post, up here, I let you professional Ba Gua master teach up here for now. My knowledge is not up to you guys level.

Hong Qaun, I like to hook up with you this week, you seem cool, You have to be I know your teacher…LOL if you are free this sunday like me know. Thanks for the e-mail I learned a lot.

peace I’m out.

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I’m not an imposter re:Black Taoist

To Black Taoist and concerned others:
I am not an imposter, my English is getting better thanks to going to classes 20 hours per week and of course living with my American girlfriend who helps me with reading and writing these forums.
Novell, I sent you an EMail wishing you a safe trip abroad and you never answered. Maybe you thought it was from a fake Wang.
Anyway, I’ll send you a new EMail and youll see it’s really me.:slight_smile:
Wang Rengang, the Real Deal

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I’m out of town what now, you know me wang, I’m always on the move. I’ll hit you on your e-mail and let you know where I’m at.

P.S. I got your e-mail before I left for Beijing China, and I reply back. Maybe you didn’t get my E-mail. Anyway I hit you on your e-mail tonight. I have a lot of things to tell you.

Peace