Make a living as a techer?

Hey guys..
I was wondering…can one make a living as a teacher in US? And I am talking about the three major internal (XY,BG and TJ).
We all know that this styles are not comercial and there are not to many forms or fancy movements (wich is one of the reasons why I like them!). Plus, the internal training is based is a system of unique body mechanics, that is achieved only through very hard practice and billions of repetitions of the same movement, over and over.
I often see guys that teach the orthodox and traditional stuff, only with a couple of students, and the others ( Arghh!) with a lot of them…do you yah to corrupt yourself in order to survive as a sucesful teacher?
Your toughts on this one gentleman, please.

T.

Come to Finland to teach… please. Il be your student. I have been looking for a Hsing-i teacher here, but there aren’t any. It gets pretty cold in the winters here but it’s nice in the summers.

With training in China you should be able to make some good money in the right city if you were only of Chinese descent you would make a killing. Alot of people just want to come to class and learn some forms so teach them some forms and take theyre money, give them what they want as long as you stay true to the principles of your system I don’t see this as corrupting. You’ll always have a few serious students and you can tailor your teaching specifically for them.

I have found that teaching tradtional CMA is very hard to make a full time living at. I have seen many kung fu schools come and go, but yet seen many tae kwon do fluirsh. Part of the reason is that the general public has heard of tae kwon do and some one they know has had their child or freind involved with it, however most people dont understand the difference so they tend to go with the mainstream arts. It is true that you CAN make a cma school work but it is much harder then mcdojo’s for kung fu is a way of life and mainstream schools are a good workout. I would suggest if you plan to open a school dont quit your day job and teach for the love of teaching and the art but dont plan to retire from it

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How to earn a living in china

  1. Spend time in china.
  2. Get a secret chinese name.
  3. Go somewhere and get a few students. Doesn’t matter how many. Make sure they pay cash.
  4. Create a Non-profit organization, called “Foundation for the Furthering of Tadzio Hsing-i”. That way any and all expenses can be made tax free. Need to fly back to china? Tax Free! Want to go to a seminar? Tax Free! Going to a competition? Tax Free!
  5. Have the students start paying the “foundation”. That way they get a tax write off.

Teaching Internal CMA/selling out for $$$$???

Im new at this whole teaching thing, but a few of my friends have been teaching for many years. It seems that its especially difficult to make a living teaching an internal art. Its not as easy to learn, not as well known as many Mcdojo arts, it takes a bit more dedication, and the flashy uniforms, tournaments etc. dont accompany it as much (if at all) as they do in many other arts.

It is my personal belief that if you teach internal arts you do it for the love of internal arts itself and for your own growth, and not for monetary purposes.

If you take on to many students you have to compromise the quality of instruction (personal attention is decreased). Also if you just have a few students and you want/need to make $$$ you would have to charge them bookoo bucks.

This presents a problem since its hard to pay the rent for a place to train, insurance, equipment etc… without charging a decent amount or having many students to support it. Luckily I have found a way around this, and can offer a few more suggestions if your not interested in making much, but only in producing a few well trainined people.

I am in the Air Force, I contracted with the base gym to allow me to use their facilites and for them to purchase ALL the equipment I desired in return for a small portion of the students monthy fee. I only charge $40 per month (enough to make it worth my time), and the Air Force takes only $5, so its not a bad deal! Plus the Air Force is of course Insured. I only take a few students at a time, and It forces me to train at least 4 hours a week more than i normally would at home! Its always fun to go over the basics and re-discover things you overlooked the first time around!

If your not in the military you can utilize other public gyms/space to teach, the YMCA is a good place they might even pay you and set it up!! Teaching in the park is always fun (if the weather is good),or if you have a decent size yard! Sometimes librarys will have rec. rooms you can use for free, just hunt around and you may find some free space, communtity builidings might offer you a room provided you phrase your request correctly.

Basically what im getting to is that to make any decent amount of money you might need to compromise your art, and your students ability, neither of which I will do for $$$. But if the students only want to learn some forms, and just some half As@ applications then fine, but dont fool them into thinking they are good at defending themselves.

If anyone else has made a great deal of money teaching the internal arts without compromising it, most likely they have spent decades building a reputation and students flock to them with mad cash, if anyone here has made mad cash without compromising anything PLEEAAASEEE tell me how you did it!!! I am human, and I wouldnt mind making $$ on my hobby, but thus far ive given up that idea.
hope that helps!!!
Kind regards
Gary Romel

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In Canada and the US, you can make money on the three arts. Being trained in China is a great asset, but the main thing is your business sense.

Some people have made very good money in different ways.
-private instruction for high paying clients
-large classes
-set up a “franchise” system
-police/military training
-video tapes/books/magazines
-seminars and workshops

Taiji is very well known and in high demand. 99% of people do not know about what is good quality and what is garbage.

Some masters know how to read what the public wants. Some people like to think that they will become invincible fighters, others like to think that they can “become one with the universe” and like to talk about energy, spiritualism, etc. Typical hippy people, love the mystery and mysticism, hehe. Some masters run out of material to teach, so they make stuff up, or teach very slowly. It’s up to you how you approach it.

To save money, take the other members advice. Also, there are some clubs that have 100 + members, and been around for over 20 years. They only use public parks and a very cheap community centre for training. Look for advantages like this, look for people to sponsor you and your club financially

Be a teacher in the US - Why not?

Hey, let me tell you its a great business to be in. Pa Kua and Hsing-I are fast growing arts now in the US. Everybody is on the bandwagon now…I equate it to being a preacher or a pimp…everybody is a player in the game…I’ve seen over the few years of this art how all of sudden all of these experts are poping up and have schools now…

on a positive note since the demand is so high and if you get your skill level up u should have no problem in the future…

American Yin Fu Bagua Association

This has to be my least favorite example of “making a business” out of bagua. This group makes me ill.

Merciless is Mercy.

lol

you are funny cat Daniel…why do did you make your comment? enlightnen me

Razak

Maybe I can expound a bit for Daniel.

When I asked why their traditional Chinese teacher allows this I was told he has to CHANGE things for Americans.

Count

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Chi Kung International

LOL at that photo !
They should call that move ‘Big moon reaching for toilet paper’

Razak

Man, I can’t wait to get out to NY and meet up with you, BT and MS.

:slight_smile:

I suggest you go to www.ayba.org and read it for yourself.

:slight_smile:

Merciless is Mercy.

Thank you Count and Daniel

I wanted to be sure on what you guys were talking about. I’ve been to that website before and I wanted everyone else’s opinion.

I like Mojo’s comment ‘Big moon reaching for toilet paper’

Mojo couldn’t be more right!!!

Gee how can I know if I am joining a cult?

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  • Cat

:slight_smile:

I was going to post that, but my vague attempts at diplomacy prevented it.

Merciless is Mercy.

Count, ouch.

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Don’t misunderstand

These two in the picture are probably doing as instructed. It is not appropriate for bagua. When I asked why, the teachers brother said he had to change some things for Americans. Why would something be different for an American than another. If I go to a teacher I expect the real deal. Not some altered hybrid. This is a minor point. A more interesting discussion would be about the different emphasis for females than males in the schools teaching.

Count

Kabooom.com

Chi Kung International

Tnx

Guys, thatnks for the opinions about my question. As expected, you have very different pints of view, and I am happy I can hear from all of you.
Seeu around.

T.