Wck does No side way .
Thus , wck is using its unique strategy, momentum, and force handling.
Ok. I think I am following your point now. I’m picturing Wong Shun Leung and Phillip Bayer in the way they go directly in and avoid “chasing hands” or even sticking as in Chi Sao when possible. --------------
Yes, if you take a look here
Start 4.24 to 4.40 see how Jerry capture the center of the Hsing Yee opponent. That is , using center capture center uniqueness. The hand doesn’t goes out side the triangle , many think Hsing Yee is the mother art of Wck. Well, evidence show they have different DNA and hsing Yee is not Wck lau choong sau or remain in center hand. Due to that Wck generate power, handling momentum different then hsing Yee .
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=91ythWqde-c&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D91ythWqde-c
So, things might look similar in different style , but those who know the DNA is doing a unique art.
From this wck momentum DNA, one knows, if one practices of set as snt, not following this but go side way. It is an evolve version.
Wck doesn’t do the following even though the following attack center too.
http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=PAiAnMFtCxU&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DPAiAnMFtCxU
Biu Jee set is for the third momentum of Wck, the recovery momentum. To recover means one has already lost the center and structure. Those no longer in ones possession already, one needs to recover in that situation.
This fits with the idea I was taught that it is for “emergency situations.” Having lost the center and structure would count as an “emergency.” But thinking of it as recovering momentum does help clarify that. -------
Emergency means lost the handling , may be via mistake, surprise , accident…etc recovery means to abandon and return to center . Ie, at emergency the the army has lost its based.
IMHO, it is more a force pair balancing on the run, then rooting as in the southern fist .
I think I understand what you are saying, but I’ll have to think about that one and work on it. ------
Understood.
You need to develop your Jin path and Jin flow, otherwise you don’t have tools to implement it. A different mechanics.
Because what he shared decade ago is the basic of using body integration , some wcner at that time is using only arm but no body integration, and what I show is a step beyond the body structure , time to get into Jin flow and momentum. Where body integration and structure need to turn into dynamic flow.
To be able to flow, one needs dynamic . To learn dynamic one needs to make the structure alive. And no longer hold on to structure.
That makes better sense now. So you are saying that it’s not that the structural elements are unimportant, just that what you are talking about is the next step beyond those structural elements. ------
Yes. Get into the resonance of the six core elements dynamically . So one can handle dynamic momentum.
As John point out one must not stop at structure step.
one must go through structure to flow. Otherwise one cannot get to flow.
[B]Rooting as most think or in souhtern fist is not force balancing but holding and sustaining.
Force path and force flow play needs a loose and light body. As in taiji , it says, it is so light that it will not hold an extra weight of a feather. It is a different paradigm .[/B]
Ok. I think we are getting somewhere now!
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Great!
We know today that when the three set system created in 1855. Wck go through a quick fighter training cultural change. We know the post 1855 cut away lots of chinese body of the art develoment and focus into get some one to the battle field quick culture . now 160 years later it has its pro and con. We now try to present both the pre and post , but things will not happen over night. And some will see it different then their Wck because Wck does evolve. And 160 years is a long time .
Yes, this makes good sense from an historical viewpoint. After 1855 a lot of what you are talking about was likely lost as they “ramped up” the training program to make it faster and more efficient in a shorter timeframe. But what they were doing after 1855 stilled worked, or they wouldn’t have done it! -------
Correct.
However, one issue exist after 160 years of evolution, Wck has combine other southern art. For example we talk about the Wck uniqueness as in above Jerry Vesus hsing Yee or Wsl clip. That is accord to 1855. But how many recognize this today? Instead of practicing southern fist fusion Wck?
So, there are the pre 1855 body of art and post 1855 application which are not common to some wcners today.
So you have to be careful in how you present your material. Its not that what most people are doing is wrong. Its just that what you are working on could give most people’s Wing Chun a “new dimension”. -----
Correct.
An some Wck lineages still have the material i brought up.
I am not exclusive.
But without these core element brought up, we will evolve into different direction and lost the core soon.
It seems like it truly is a step in the direction of making Wing Chun more of a “soft” or “internal” art. This likely won’t appeal to a lot of people, but it is still a valid and valuable way of doing Wing Chun. Convincing people that it is a “better” way will be difficult. This is going to appeal more to people that have been doing Wing Chun for a long time and already sense that there is a further “dimension” beyond the typical “muscular” approach. Heck, I’m not there yet! But at least I can now get a sense of what you are talking about. Thanks! --------
You are welcome,
Actually, I am just telling the story “once upon a time Wck” and let people take or drop . Every one has their way. And free to choose their own direction. But the info has to get out so those who look for it knows how the grandparents are like.