for those who is interested.
Mr. Santos, you are aware that some of us suffer from ADD (attention deficit disorder) and consequently don’t have the mental capacity to watch these clips from start to finish without our minds wandering.
In fact trying to watch them is almost physically painful, like when my wife makes me watch a particularly tedious episode of Antiques Road Show, …only not as interesting. Sorry, I know the fault is mine.
Anyway, Do you ever post some nice, exciting demo’s of what you are talking about?
[QUOTE=Grumblegeezer;1215665]Mr. Santos, you are aware that some of us suffer from ADD (attention deficit disorder) and consequently don’t have the mental capacity to watch these clips from start to finish without our minds wandering.
In fact trying to watch them is almost physically painful, like when my wife makes me watch a particularly tedious episode of Antiques Road Show, …only not as interesting. Sorry, I know the fault is mine.
Anyway, Do you ever post some nice, exciting demo’s of what you are talking about?[/QUOTE]
As I say, It is only for those who is interested.
Please Ignore me if it is not your interest.
[QUOTE=Grumblegeezer;1215665]
In fact trying to watch them is almost physically painful, like when my wife makes me watch a particularly tedious episode of Antiques Road Show, …only not as interesting. Sorry, I know the fault is mine.[/QUOTE]
Dude, you diss the Antiques Roadshow unfairly. Plus Fiona (the host) is a hottie.
[QUOTE=anerlich;1215719]Dude, you diss the Antiques Roadshow unfairly. Plus Fiona (the host) is a hottie.[/QUOTE]
Fiona Bruce… getting Anerlich’s snake engine working 
Yep, not a lot to dimystify (sic) there 
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1215620]for those who is interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcxOSqx7KTQ[/QUOTE]
Hendrik- I appreciated reading the readable English translation of the concepts of the snake and crane in wing chun. There are gulfs between words and action. You have a background in Yik Kam’s version of the art and you have posted pictures from the HK snake/crane school.
My comment is that it is possible to understand the principles alluded to in a well developed Ip Man lineage- without any reference to or imitation of shapes from the two schools that have been part of your posts.
I know that many people claiming to do wing chun just use the label “wing chun” but do things quite differently.
Some of the other Yik Kam and Cho family people have imported some clf and hung ga into what they do.
What I do comes from an unbroken transmission with major contributions along the way within the framework of wing chun,
I am not giving you a hard time but just commenting from a perspective somewhat different from yours
Joy,
The article on snake crane elements in the red boat era is to present what exist in that era as it is by evidence .
It is not about chogar or Ipman or anyone or any evolution.
It is we find the evidence and we present them as it is. The WCK world deserve to see what is exist.
Thus, in these article we use ancient WCK kuen kuit as the reference And not anyone lineage. But common denominator of red boat era WCK.
The YouTube in the thread is to present What is a snake body or snake engine, how the snake body related to the physical world in term of momentum, force, force change, and accereation, the physics basic elements.
How snake body support the
four type of basic momentum/force operation: push back, sustain, recieve, and issue.
three types of WCK force change handling : the direct, roundabout, and recovery.
five common type of momentum/force play basic elements : lead, collision, split, block, and absorb. Which are the basic of chisau and combat applications.
How the red boat era WCK elements translate to today’s view.
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Hendrik- I appreciated reading the readable English translation of the concepts of the snake and crane in wing chun. There are gulfs between words and action. You have a background in Yik Kam’s version of the art and you have posted pictures from the HK snake/crane school.
My comment is that it is possible to understand the principles alluded to in a well developed Ip Man lineage- without any reference to or imitation of shapes from the two schools that have been part of your posts.
I know that many people claiming to do wing chun just use the label “wing chun” but do things quite differently.
Some of the other Yik Kam and Cho family people have imported some clf and hung ga into what they do.
What I do comes from an unbroken transmission with major contributions along the way within the framework of wing chun,
I am not giving you a hard time but just commenting from a perspective somewhat different from yours[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1215794]Joy,
The article on snake crane elements in the red boat era is to present what exist in that era as it is by evidence .
It is not about chogar or Ipman or anyone or any evolution.
It is we find the evidence and we present them as it is. The WCK world deserve to see what is exist.[/QUOTE]
I think that we are mis communicating. I accept the snake crane conceptions in the red boat era.
The snake crane school is their and your version of evidence-there are others.
I am not doing you tube but if we sat down I could show and explain better than
fragmented forum chats.
Joy
Please read my edit above.
I really don’t understand your point bringing up Ipman lineage . And chogar …
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I think that we are mis communicating. I accept the snake crane conceptions in the red boat era.
The snake crane school is their and your version of evidence-there are others.
I am not doing you tube but if we sat down I could show and explain better than
fragmented forum chats.[/QUOTE]
I am ready to see the dynamics in action Hendrik. Lets see a looooong clip of the idea "hands on ".
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1215832]I am ready to see the dynamics in action Hendrik. Lets see a looooong clip of the idea "hands on ".[/QUOTE]
I’m sorry, but that will never happen in this life time, he only specialize in talk fu.
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1215832]I am ready to see the dynamics in action Hendrik. Lets see a looooong clip of the idea "hands on ".[/QUOTE]
My hands on Dynamic action is
If someone has access to physical education reserch lab. It will be great to see these experiment carry out in modern physics.
Your dynamic action might be different then mine.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1215849]My hands on Dynamic action is
If someone has access to physical education reserch lab. It will be great to see these experiment carry out in modern physics.
Your dynamic action might be different then mine.[/QUOTE]
You can make 20 min clips of all talking, but none with you in action with another human ?
[QUOTE=k gledhill;1215855]You can make 20 min clips of all talking, but none with you in action with another human ?[/QUOTE]
It deal with The law of Physics.
Certainly, not about, I am can do this, I am better then you…
It is about what it is iN term of physics instead of I can do this, I can fight, I can… My way,…etc.
It is not about showing what I can do or how good I can do. It is not my show buzz but what it is in term of physical reality.
For example, one now know there are
Four types of basic operation, thus, it is no longer just standing there holding the structure to resisting. There more then that.
Three types of WCK force change handling, thus, it is no longer just the ck angling..etc and ignore other two types.
Five basic ways of momentum /force change handling in chi sau and combat applications, thus, it is no longer just chain punch, put structure to collide . One needs more then that to play in the physical world .
My focus in on what and why. Not on I am better , I am the way…etc. in fact, I am not the model, but the content of what and why different element is needed to play in the physical world is the focus.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1215857]It deal with The law of Physics.
Certainly, not about, I am can do this, I am better then you…
It is about what it is iN term of physics instead of I can do this, I can fight, I can… My way,…etc.[/QUOTE]
I dont think that you have to fight anyone or prove anything dealing with fighting to show your dynamics in action.
Are you saying that they cant be seen on tape without some type of lab work and the human eye cannot see that results/affects of one’s dynamics in play, but only the calibrations of lab work could show your dynamics in application?
[QUOTE=Ali. R;1215862]
Are you saying that they cant be seen on tape without some type of lab work and the human eye cannot see that results/affects of one’s dynamics in play, but only the calibrations of lab work could show your dynamics in application?[/QUOTE]
I am saying with physical education Physics study lad work , we can clearly know the effect on momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. And the process of how to do it .
As an example of structure test, one can see how things were done clearly. And that make learning very effective. Cutting down trial and Erro.
As there are five basic momentum/ force handling in wck instead just collision support by a hold triangle structure. That open up the tunnel vision for those who think WCK is just holding structure colision.
It is not about me, but the physics behind the art which I am interested.
It is also not who does it better. But does the basic elements covered which I am interested.
Some people is interested in who is better aspect where I am interested in what is the basic elements aspect of WCK.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1215865]I am saying with physical education Physics study lad work , we can clearly know the effect on momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. And the process of how to do it .
As an example of structure test, one can see how things were done clearly. And that make learning very effective. Cutting down trial and Erro.
As there are five basic momentum/ force handling in wck instead just collision support by a hold triangle structure. That open up the tunnel vision for those who think WCK is just holding structure colision.
It is no about me, but the physics behind the art which I am interested.
It is also not who does it better. But does the basic elements covered which I am interested.[/QUOTE]
TST does open demos of his application of structure and Nim Lik… funny how you cant
[QUOTE=GlennR;1215866]TST does open demos of his application of structure and Nim Lik… funny how you cant[/QUOTE]
You clearly don’t understand what I have posted.
Also, TST can demo all he loves. But still, never explain it in term of momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. Not to mention, I am not interested in demo, but interested in a well define process where everyone can practice , and also not limited to standing in a particular way as TST holding his structure in stationary.
Sorry, there is no such thing as Nim Lik or mind power in the world of physics. Mind is not in the realm of momentum. Also, there are Atleast five basic ways of handling momentum in WCK . Holding structure as TST is to the most one out of five.
So, put it is this way.
I am interested in the process of how to build a car and drive it. Then, demo how good one can ride a single wheel cycle. So, it is not about who but what technology and why.
[QUOTE=Hendrik;1215869]You clearly don’t understand what I have posted.
Also, TST can demo all he loves. But still, never explain it in term of momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. Not to mention, I am not interested in demo, but interested in a well define process where everyone can practice , and also not limited to standing in a particular way as TST holding his structure in stationary.
Sorry, there is no such thing as Nim Lik or mind power in the world of physics. Mind is not in the realm of momentum. Also, there are Atleast five basic ways of handling momentum. Holding structure as TST is to the most one out of five.[/QUOTE]
But after all your videos/rants and so on… he can do what he says he can..
You can do what??