Another rare Tai Zu Chang Quan
This Tai Zu Chang Quan is Er Lu. There is also an Yi Lu, but I don’t have a video of it I can post as of yet. There is also an Er Lu Dui Da (two man).
This is a rare Tai Zu Chang Quan form, that I have not seen anywhere else.
[QUOTE=shaolinche;987504]This Tai Zu Chang Quan is Er Lu. There is also an Yi Lu, but I don’t have a video of it I can post as of yet. There is also an Er Lu Dui Da (two man).
This is a rare Tai Zu Chang Quan form, that I have not seen anywhere else.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBRr7j2J8Vk[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I posted that link before.
I never saw that form before as well. That lineage has 4 TZ sets.
Don’t know much about this lineage, it doesn’t look related to anything else I’ve seen.
Could be that this link was up here somewhere but I just came across it on You Tube,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OLDG4OTkmYg&feature=related
Look from 0:54 and he starts Taizu,
Gr. Eugene 
hey remember these old clips?
lol!
this is from some film back in the 70s or 80s
this clip has a bunch of the hard gong training.
check outthe locks and dumbell training on the jongs! 
Another link,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkEW6v1bHHE&feature=related
Shi Heng Jun, learning his disclipels
[QUOTE=Eugene;988723]Another link,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkEW6v1bHHE&feature=related
Shi Heng Jun, learning his disclipels[/QUOTE]
Interesting internal soft and hard version (only a piece of the set shown).
It is pretty close to the internal version I was taught, skips the intro to the set, and does some of the transitions differently than my version, but getting there.
here are some other links maybe it helps,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOsIYqjolH8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRISNvbGzVw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szvbWuFsheA ( Shaolin Culture ) nice to see
If it helps for the research of this set ! ( I watch a lot of videos 
)
Peace Eugene
http://vodpod.com/watch/919453-taizu-quan-gm-liao-wu-chang-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6nctVSIAx8
Peace Eugene
http://www.56.com/u68/v_MjA1NjU3NDU.html
http://v.mofile.com/show/X4IK9X8V.shtml ( this man jumps from a tree when he starts haha, amazing performence !)
Maybe the next one is already up there, dunno
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_ce00XNTc2Mjc1Mg==.html ( shi deqian ? )
Peace Eugene
[QUOTE=Eugene;989129]here are some other links maybe it helps,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOsIYqjolH8&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRISNvbGzVw&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szvbWuFsheA ( Shaolin Culture ) nice to see
If it helps for the research of this set ! ( I watch a lot of videos )
Peace Eugene[/QUOTE]
This one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOsIYqjolH8&feature=related
of all the videos on youtube shows the missing intro and transition moves, BUT he moves his hips too far out of square, it’s very external. Too bad, as he comes closest to doing the set with the right moves that are often skipped or never learned by most people.
The other two videos are junk, they are doing the set too fast for their ability level and doing improper body mechanics and alignments.
[QUOTE=Eugene;989207]http://www.56.com/u68/v_MjA1NjU3NDU.html
http://v.mofile.com/show/X4IK9X8V.shtml ( this man jumps from a tree when he starts haha, amazing performence !)
Maybe the next one is already up there, dunno
http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_ce00XNTc2Mjc1Mg==.html ( shi deqian ? )
Peace Eugene[/QUOTE]
I think you messed up on that middle one. It’s a great modern wushu chang quan performance, but not related to tai zu chang quan at all (and there’s no jumping from a tree)
Sorry B-rad, it wasnt my intention
The 32 set of general qi, was it called : Qi Quanjing ? Or Song Taizu Quan ?
[QUOTE=Eugene;992928]The 32 set of general qi, was it called : Qi Quanjing ? Or Song Taizu Quan ?[/QUOTE]
The general’s name is Qi Jiguang.
One of 16-18 styles he mentions is Song Taizu Quan.
The 32 set he showed is not a set but is a mixture of the best Postures that he says are found in common amongst these different styles from his time period (1500s).
People mistakenly think he showed a 32 move Song TZ Quan set, because there is a 32 move song TZ Chang Quan set in existence, but it is not like Qi’s set that he showed. There also are postures shown from Bashan Fan style, which he mentioned in the book as well, as being one of the very best styles.
Is Generals Qi Jiguang`s Qi Quanjing 32 postures, practiced today ?
I downloaded the translation yesterday, and the 32 lyrics seems if someone is a master at knowing all the stance names etc, the set is * Do`able ? is that a good english word even ?
I dont even know the first stance yet, * assume the * Going out the door Position 
If the general in this time pulled out the best 32 stances/postures, in his opinion, it sounds almost as the best of all then, like someone would make a 32 set now, and take something of karate, ninjitsu, tai chi, etc
So he would have picked some stances from the Song Taizu Quan set ?
And is the Shaolin Taizu Quan the same as the Song Taizu Quan, maybe its up here already.
Peace
In 1918, the Shanghai Da Shen Bookshop published a book called the `Boxing Canon’ (Quan Jing) which was at that time one of the more complete books on the many aspects of boxing. Inside it was included drawings of the original 32 postures of Sung Tai Zhu Chang Quan (First Emperor Of Sung’s Long Boxing). Upon closer examination, it was discovered that these 32 postures were identical (there were some variant readings where similar sounding words were used in place of each other though without losing the meaning of the posture name) with the 32 postures in General Qi’s book. General Qi had listed the 32 postures of Sung Tai Zhu Quan as the first in the list of the many fistic forms he mentioned
This next line is also pritty cool ,
Tai Zhu stances are the strongest, tumbling and diagonal moving, even ghosts have to be busy to get out of the way’
Thats pritty cool, maybe these pics are somewhere !
I dont practice Taizu, but it seems a very cool set
In 1918, the Shanghai Da Shen Bookshop published a book called the `Boxing Canon’ (Quan Jing) which was at that time one of the more complete books on the many aspects of boxing. Inside it was included drawings of the original 32 postures of Sung Tai Zhu Chang Quan (First Emperor Of Sung’s Long Boxing). Upon closer examination, it was discovered that these 32 postures were identical (there were some variant readings where similar sounding words were used in place of each other though without losing the meaning of the posture name) with the 32 postures in General Qi’s book. General Qi had listed the 32 postures of Sung Tai Zhu Quan as the first in the list of the many fistic forms he mentioned
I know you people have discussed this issue in 2005, but are these drawings mentioned for real ?
A fresh vid
Note that there will be two articles on Taizu in our 2010 Shaolin Special. One is by our distinguished member here, Sal, and the other is by yours truly. What’s more, if you’re a subscriber, you’ll get a free DVD with a demonstration of Taizu filmed in our studios here.
Click the link for a vid of Yanqing’s Taizu. This version is very close to the one that I do.
Yuma karate students learn from Shaolin monk
March 08, 2010 5:34 PM
BY CHRIS McDANIEL - SUN STAFF WRITER
The martial arts students who take karate classes once a week at the Yuma Boys and Girls Club were treated to a demonstration by a real Shaolin monk Friday.
Shi Yan Qing, (pronounced shur yan ching), showed off some of the skills he has learned through many years of Spartan living and training at the the Shaolin Monastery at Song Shan near Zhengzhou City, Henan Province in Dengfeng, China.
The Buddhist monastery is considered by many scholars as the birthplace of kung fu.
Qing, who has met the pope and Vladimir Putin, traveled to Yuma with Mark Steuver, who teaches the karate classes. The classes are offered through Young Champions of America, a national organization that is committed to making a difference in the lives of children by providing youth programs.
Qing is in the United States to spread peace through kung fu, and is staying with Steuver. Steuver, who lives in Casa Grande and travels to Yuma once a week to teach, was once Qing’s student in China.
“He was first an apprentice of a guy who was teaching me, and I especially liked the way he was teaching me,” Steuver said.
“We become good friends. We call each other brothers even though it is not very custom-like in China.”
Steuver spent three years in China studying, and while there earned the name Shi Yan Jian. The former police officer now teaches martial arts classes in Casa Grande, Phoenix and Yuma.
“I want my students to learn how to socially interact in public and have self-confidence so they can go through life without fear and build their self esteem,” he said.
Steuver’s students sat quietly in the gymnasium as Qing brought kung fu to life, moving with a grace and form instilled in him through years of discipline and meditation.
After his demonstration, Qing granted an interview with the Yuma Sun. Steuver translated the Chinese into English and visa versa.
Qing has been studying kung fu since he was a young child.
“Now it’s been 16 years,” Qing said. “I was 8 years old when I left for the monastery. When I first left the house I was really excited and wanted to go, because I fell in love with kung fu when I was little, but once I got started, it was hard and I really missed my home. Now that I am a grown man I am glad I did it.”
Qing said it took three years of living at the monastery before he became a monk.
“You also have to pass all the tests. You have to be a Buddhist first and you have to already know some kung fu. They interview you and if your kung fu is sloppy and lazy, they think your character is bad and they won’t accept you.”
Qing said the tests required serious concentration.
“Learning the mantras and doing meditation was hardest because you have to sit without moving for over an hour. Then you are allowed to change one leg, then sit for another hour, and then change the other leg, and sit for another hour before you change the other leg.”
Qing said he had to learn how to master his pain.
“When you first start it is very painful, but after a year or so you don’t even notice it.”
Qing said he is impressed with the way his former student now teaches.
“He is very good. He is a lot different then when I first met him.”
Qing said he has a purpose for being in America.
“I want to spread peace, and I think I can do that through kung fu and teaching people about Buddhism and Chinese culture.”
Qing said there are many different forms of kung fu.
“There are many styles and many places in the world that have good kung fu. But the Shaolin Monastery is the birth place of all martial arts. Kung Fu’s essence isn’t about fighting or violence. It is only about integrating the mind, body and spirit to become healthy in all aspects of being.”
Qing wants to establish himself in the United States, and hopes to teach kung fu.
“If everything goes right, I will be an old man here, but right now I only have a short visa and I am trying to get that extended. If I am useful I can stay longer.”
Steuver will soon offer a new semester of karate classes and is inviting the public to enroll their kids aged 4 to 15. For more information call 520-836-0459 or log onto youngchampionsofamerica.org.
Young Champions is the same org that Wu Bin was promoting in '97. See Wu Bin - The Father of Modern Wushu by Melody Chung.
That is pritty cool GeneChing,
I am looking forward to read the stories of the Taizu stuff
Yes, the diagram is real, BUT the postures do not match the Shaolin Tai Tzu Chang Chuan. The NAMES are very similar to Chen Taiji though, but the postures do not mach that either.