If you haven’t noticed, more and more of these NHB fights are ending up in knockouts. Are you speaking generally or just because it’s a top fighter vs. a hobbyist.P
Its dangerous to think you are immortal.
sifuabel@yahoo.com
True, alot of NHB fights end up in knockout now, but every one in NHB is a really good grappler too. If not for their good grappling base, they wouldn’t be able to stand up and fight, IMHO.
IronFist, you are a troll. Go back to the strength forum! 
ok i still dont get what you guys mean by “troll”, please explain
In the early UFC’s fish hooking was perfectly legal. The only rules were no Biting or Eye gouging. Everything else was legal. You were allowed to kill your opponenet. You were alowed to repeatedly smash their balls (happened in UFC#4). You were allowed to smash their teeth out (happened in first fight of UFC#1) You were allowed to repeatedly elbow them in the head while thier unconsious till the ref tore you off (UFC#2) There was no cups, mouth pieces or gloves. You were allowed to do anything besides bite and eye gouge.
And the kung fu guys all lost. Royce Gracie beat the pure strikers easily. And even beat some Olympic wrestlers and Professional shoot fighters in the process. (Ken shamrock and Dan Severn).
When kung fu guys start defeating a gold medalist olympic wrestler who out wieghs them by 80 pounds like Royce Gracie did then they will have my respect.
But for now taekwondo has a better record in NHB than kung fu.
Brazilian jiujitsu is superior.
Oh. And the kung fu guys were larger than Royce Gracie. Throughout the history of NHB the kung fu guys have been bigger than the wrestlers. But they still lost.
The John Marsh vs Sansoo fight shows that BJJ destroys little kung fu guys also.
Brazilian jiujitsu is superior.
meanwhile, ralek is still busy masterbating to his royce gracie poster. Oh royce oh royce,…hoyce!!!
Its dangerous to think you are immortal.
sifuabel@yahoo.com
i got nothing to contribute to this post apart from kungar why do you have to bring up your lover in every post
EMIN WOULD WIN EMIN EMIN EMIN would take his top off and show the bjj guys his muscles and they would start to try and dry hump him and emin would have the advantage to knock them out quickly but instead he starts to enjoy it so they end up having a baby.
that was the worst spent 23 seconds of my life writing that
I wongsifu shall strike fear into the hearts of trolls and mma guys who **** me off on these forums oh and in real life.
“But for now taekwondo has a better record in NHB than kung fu”
LOL! It’s funny cause it’s true. I remember that rough looking biker dude that dropped his opponent with a right cross, then he came crashing down with a forearm on the guy’s face after he was KO’d
I really only remember two kung fu guys in early NHB events. One was that Wing Chun guy in Extreme Fighting that bragged about his ability to block and strike simultaneously, but when they put him up against Igor Zinoviev the WC guy ran in with an ugly foot ball tackle and got slammed and choked out.
I’m not ragging on Kung Fu, after all, that’s my style choice and all. I’m just ragging on the level of talent that represented kung fu in MMA/NHB events. It’s true that I wouldn’t really want to enter an event that pit me against a very tough opponent and then didn’t allow throat chops, pinching/biting, or eye gouges. But I don’t think those techniques would let me win nonetheless. Because the people that enter the UFC and Pride are professional fighters. They train to fight. It doesn’t matter how pure your lineage is, you can’t really do much if you’re a weekend warrior, or even if you only train 3-4 times a week, 2-3 hours at a time. The pros train 5-6 times all day.
What was this thread about again?
Jaguar Wong
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR> I’m just ragging on the level of talent that represented kung fu in MMA/NHB events. [/quote]
You mean “LACK” of talent. Personally, I woundn’t have chosen them for the kung fu team.
Unfortunately, the whole of the kung fu world was “judged” by the performance of less than one handfull of it’s most fringe practitioners.
The kung fu guys lost so their automatically poor skill? Well i agree. All kung fu guys have poor and non-exsistant fighting abilities. There are no qualified representatives because kung fu doesn’t work.
I mean, that wing tsun guy that fought in UFC was a TOP STUDENT of Emin Bostepe and was and instructor of twing tsung himself. But he was cremated by a grappler.
I have challenged Emin Bostepe to a street fight but i don’t think he surfs the internet to accept my challenge. However the challenge still stands.
Who do you kung fu guys think would be good representative to fight in the “old rules” UFC?
Brazilian jiujitsu is superior.
Well, yeah, that’s what I mean.
I just don’t know any Kung Fu guys that really care enough about what people think to train seriously enough then actually enter an NHB event. I personally have nothing to prove, but entering a MMA event is on my list of goals. Of course I wouldn’t be there representing any style, cause I’ve been pretty diverse (somewhat) in my training.
Jaguar Wong
This tread is useless! :mad:
TKD the real street lethal !!!
Well Ralek and you others flaming kungfu fighters…prepare to eat your words. You can borrow some salt if the crow is too bitter.
First of all, San Soo is a joke. Jimmy Woo invented his kungfu style in the 1950’s (if I remember correctly) then told a whole bunch of people that it came from “secret once thought losts scrolls of Shaolin”. Whatever. Sounds a lot like another story I read on here from time to time.
Second of all, there is a particular poster on here who is a classmate of mine. He has been in the UFC twice and won both of his qualifying matches. Do some research before you shoot off…your foot might be in the way.
That being said, why do people not understand that “style” has next to nothing to do with the outcome of a fight? I suppose it is much easier to talk about something you know little about than to investigate it.
Amitabha!
We are trained in wushu; we must protect the Temple!
silumkid:
You train with Onasis? cool. I guess I forgot about him winning his matches. I was only thinking of the televised ones.
I do apologize if anything I said offended you, but they are my personal opinions, and shouldn’t really shape the way anyone thinks about the arts in general.
Jaguar Wong
Jaguar,
No need to apologise. I’m not easily offended, I just get kind of tired seeing blanket statements such as “Jason DeLucia lost his match in UFC, he was a kungfu fighter, therefore all kungfu fighters suck.” Using that type of logic, one can “prove” anything.
For example, “All ducks have feet, I have feet, therefore I am a duck.”
If style has so much to do with winning fights, then why does the “superior” BJJ style have fighters that lose just as much as all the other styles?
I also let myself get irritated at inaccurate arguments such as “Royce Gracie won the first 5 UFC’s”…NO, he didn’t. If memory serves me correctly, he only competed in the first three one of which (the third I think) he had to forfeit because Kimo hit him too hard. He did beat Kimo but could not continue the following fight. His other fights were so called “Superfights”, one of which wqas against Ken Shamrock…again, he did not win. It was a draw. I know, some people say a draw is as good as a win…well, then Ken “won” too.
Again, Jaguar, please don’t think I was/am attacking you personally. I’m just venting some frustrations at silly things. Not very Buddhist of me, I admit.
As to your other question, yes, I do train with the big “O”…he’s da man.
Amitabha!
We are trained in wushu; we must protect the Temple!
Wongsifu
Leave kungar alone, he’s great… Every one of his posts brings a smile to my face… 
Simlum kid. You forget that Royce Gracie won UFC#4.
And Royce Gracie choked out Ken Shamrock in UFC#1. In UFC#5 they had a rematch and it was a draw. Royce is outwieghed and out-strenghed compared to Shamrock. That fact that he has beaten and drawed him is quite and achievement.
Here is a list of royce’s career in UFC:
UFC#1: Royce beats the current #10 ranked heavy weight boxer of the world (Art Jimmerson), Royce beats Ken Shamrock, Royce beats Gerard Gordue.
UFC#2: Royce beats some Japanse karate “hero” who has won 60 bare knuckle fights, Royce beats shaolin kung fu fighter Jason Delucia, Royce beats international judo champion Remco Pardeu, Royce beats professional boxer and pancrase champion Pat Smith
(UFC#2 you had to win 4 fights to win the thing instead of the usual 3. It was a bigger tournament. My favorite UFC)
UFC#3: Royce beats Kimo with an armock. Kimo is 80 pounds heavier and manages to hurt Royces back and Royce is limping and cannot continue the tournament. A ninja ends up winning the tournament.
UFC#4: Royce beats Goju Karate man Van Clief Some old guy who is really big and muscular but old. Royce beats kenpo guy Keith Hackney. Royce beats Olympic gold medalist wrestler Dan Severn. Severn is 80 pounds heaveir. Royce chokes him out with a triangle from the guard. the most dramatic fight in NHB history.
UFC#5: Royce fights Ken shamrock in a super fight. It ends in a draw.
If you want more detail in-depth descriptions of the fights i will give them to you.
Brazilian jiujitsu is superior.
After this Royce quits the UFC becuase of all the stupid rules they started adding. Royce dominated the “old rules” UFC.
Brazilian jiujitsu is superior.