As someone (sorry I forgot who) said in another post, he wouldn’t have the heart to kick some guy’s knee in in a NHB fight. Why? Because morally, to most people, it’s not worth crippling someone just to win a game.
However, because of this fact, people always argue “this style is the best because it works in NHB.” ::coughBJJcough::
So I propose a solution to this. Hold a TRUE NHB fight. What makes it “true?” The fact that EVERYTHING is allowed, including the following, for example:
Fish hooking
Breaking Knees
Small Joint Manipulations
Iron Vest
Iron Palm
Kicking someone who is on all fours
Eye gouging
But would anyone want to fight in such a tournyment where they could be crippled for life? Yes. Why you ask? Because the winner recieves a prize of tax free $100,000,000. People are crazy enough to jeopardize their life for that much money.
If the BJJ guys still win, then we’ll just have to put up with their gloating
The only problem with this, is that the people who would most likely win (like some obscure bagua master in China) wouldn’t enter. Oh well.
But still, I would watch such a contest, wouldn’t you?
Sorry abou this post, I’m just kinda bored right now
So what you are saying is two guys fight, one dies indefinately and the prize money is 100,000,000? What if we put up all that money and in the first 10 seconds, one guy gets knocked out?
Does he still have to pick up the limp and unconscious body of his opponent and snap its relaxed and unmoving neck just to claim the cash, or do we pay him regardless of the final kill blow?
It sounds as if you are just as confused by the situation as everyone else IronFist and before you respond to me arguing my post, you should truly read what you said and give it some though. It’s sad to hear someone with as much potential as you spending it on ideas that lead nowhere like that.
PS. Good luck with your QI Gong, practice practice practice
Nexus
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Why, is he really good at peeing or something?
JWT
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Actually, there was a challenge match about 4 months ago featuring John Marsh, a BJJ practitioner, vs a Kung Fu guy. There were no rules at all, and the BJJ guy still broke the kung fu guys arm. There you have it. Maybe Knifefighter still has the clip of the fight.
John was bigger, younger, and stronger than the kung-fu guy. However, I do believe if the stats were more equal the results would have been pretty much the same… it just would have taken a bit longer.Æ’
Oh come on. You saw the fight! That kungfu immediately jumped into a kick without even taking the time to evaluate the match. It was a poorly executed kick at that and Marsh threw a kick taking out the guys leg and at the same time taking him to the ground and snapping his arm. The kungfu guy was flailing around on the ground with innefective maneuvers and marsh totally dominated that fight.
In that case, I think it was proven that traditional is not always effective, especially when it is poorly executed.
Nexus
<font size=“1”>“Time, space, the whole universe - just an illusion! Often said, philosophically verifiable, even scientifically explainable. It’s the <font color=“blue”>‘just’</font> which makes the honest mind go crazy and the <font color=“blue”>ego</font> go berserk.” - Hans Taeger</font>
Nexus beat me to it. The “kung fu” guy just plain sucked. His approach was amatuerish at best. And, that initial kick looked like the typical “feel out” move used in light contact sparring. He was outclassed in every way. When these arguements sping up, it always comes back to the “oh you can’t beat our absolute best guy.” I’d like to see a no-name competitor in this kind of match. Even weight and height. Even skill level. The fight would be longer, but the physical cost would be heavier to both fighters. Please, no more fights between thin guys and 'roid monsters.ÿ
Nexus, I wasn’t trying to start anything. I was just really board, and I think there’s too many contraints on a Pride or UFC style “NHB” fight for ANYONE to say that it proves a certain style is superior.
Frankly I’m surprised I’ve gotten 13 replies in like 30 minutes Hehe.
I just wondered what people would say. Obviously a fight like I described would never happen, legally. But it would approximate a street encounter where you’re fighting for your life a bit better than current NHB does.
Btw, if someone knocked the other guy out, he would win. If your opponent is knocked out, you have won the fight, I would assume. No sense in killing your attacker if you can knock him out.
I agree, the kung fu guy was outclassed in every way. However, it does go to show you that a few ‘dirty’ techniques are not going to make someone a good fighter. I find it funny how people assume they could take out anyone if only they could use an eye gouge or groin kick. I also agree with knifefighter, I don’t think the fight would have went much different even if the fighters were more matched up.
As someone (sorry I forgot who) said in another post, he wouldn’t have the heart to kick some guy’s knee in in a NHB fight. Why? Because morally, to most people, it’s not worth crippling someone just to win a game.
However, because of this fact, people always argue “this style is the best because it works in NHB.” ::coughBJJcough::
Keith Hackney tried that in the UFC against a big sumo guy…didn’t work…he tried that 3x.
So I propose a solution to this. Hold a TRUE NHB fight. What makes it “true?” The fact that EVERYTHING is allowed, including the following, for example:
Fish hooking: don’t think this was allowed in the 1st ufcs.
Breaking Knees: was allowed…no one could pull it off.
Small Joint Manipulations: was allowed in the first ufcs…there were some nhb matches that had this and in roman history a grappler won most of his fight this way.
Iron Vest: whass this???
Iron Palm: was allowed and still allowed but ehhhhhhhhh…no one has pulled it off.
Kicking someone who is on all fours: was allowed in the first ufcs…currently allowed in pride…ban recently in some of the matches due to immediate KO.
Eye gouging: banned but unfortunately was used on several occasions…it works!
If the BJJ guys still win, then we’ll just have to put up with their gloating
With the exception of fish hooking…eye gouging…ROYCE still won the first 5 UFCs with the old rules.
