[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;789837]why do you take kung fu if all you do is dog it for its unrealisticness, its inferior training methods, and “it isnt as good as BJJ”.
why don’t you just quit your school, cause it sounds like a bad one already if you keep on talking about how other styles are better, and just go to a fighting school and do that Gracie Competition stuff. or mma ring stuff.
more power too you. then go find your way over to www.mma.tv and enjoy that.[/QUOTE]
The path set out in TCMA, from good instruction, ie learning combative applications from day one, is one that is very tough. You are made to think and to figure out and to train very hard on YOUR time. It is a personal involvement that many people cannot handle. Sadly, it is a form of teaching very rare nowdays. Most want to be handed everything and disregard thinking for themselves and questioning what they are taught and how to use it.
Although I think this should have stayed in the main forum, Shaolinlueb is right, why bother with a Kung Fu forum if you’re better than kung fu?
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…Shaolinlueb is right, why bother with a Kung Fu forum if you’re better than kung fu?
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But that’s the whole point, isn’t it? If these guys think they’ve learned something better than the traditional kung fu that’s out there, let 'em share their thoughts. If they can’t do it tactfully, who cares? It’s a freaking Internet forum. The beauty of the Internet is it’s anonymous and allows you to be blunt without worrying about traditional social mores.
The arguments are some of the most educational bits on the forum, unless you’re involved and you’re trying to make a point with someone who has the reading comprehension of a pre-schooler, but that’s more a communication thing than a real issue.
The truth hurts sometimes. And some of the MMA/non-kung fu folks are every bit as full of sh!t as some of the traditionalists on here. But some of them aren’t and have things to offer that ‘modern, traditional kung fu’ has often lost sight of. I’m a forms guy and probably always will be because I enjoy not only the educational package that is a form (applications, internal, external, history/mythology, poetry, etc.), but also because it feels right. But I’m under no illusions that any one art or way of training has all the answers, just like no one religion or political party has all the answers.
I enjoy the exchange of ideas, and the blunt nature of it. Which is really sort of odd because the petty sniping used to annoy the sh!t out of me but now it’s popcorn-munching entertainment.
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The arguments are some of the most educational bits on the forum
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agreed.
petty name calling and insulting aside. if you just sift through a lot of the personal attacks and BS, even the people often spouting this inuslting drivel will give you choice information in the process.
you just have to be able to find the flowers amongst the weeds is all.
lkfmdc,I see your points. Here’s a question: I’m sure you have come across people who do TCMA and have the skill, prowess, etc to be MMA fighters. You know the type-Guys who are just freakin good,powerful,brutal,etc -the ones where you think, “Omigod, this guy would clean up in a MMA event.” Have you ever asked them why they don’t? And if so, what were their responses?
To answer the original question (sorry for arriving late at the party) I do not train with people who do not know how to fight. Period. It is not a systematic issue, it is a personal issue. Too many people who do not know how to apply, or are too wrapped up in their ego to share their understanding of application. Either way I have no tolerance for either. I have experienced both, and wasted many, many years, and tons of money too.
I now train with people who can consistantly, constantly, overwhelmingly kick my ass and teach me how to fight better.
So that is why I train in the CMA. I like them, and I have the good fortune to have found some of the best teachers in the world (or at least this hemisphere).
Cheers
Jake
[QUOTE=WinterPalm;790062]The path set out in TCMA, from good instruction, ie learning combative applications from day one, is one that is very tough. You are made to think and to figure out and to train very hard on YOUR time. It is a personal involvement that many people cannot handle. Sadly, it is a form of teaching very rare nowdays. Most want to be handed everything and disregard thinking for themselves and questioning what they are taught and how to use it.
Although I think this should have stayed in the main forum, Shaolinlueb is right, why bother with a Kung Fu forum if you’re better than kung fu?
It really is bizarre.[/QUOTE]
Mostly from ego. Either try to screw with kung fu people to distract themselves from something they don’t like about themselves or they are in search of serenity, but they feel that eventually, their antics will produce someone that can give them what they want. There might be other reasons, but this is what I’ve predominately seen.
[QUOTE=RonH;790110]I’m a little tea pot, I have nothing useful, heck even connected to reality in any way, to contribute, but I bough David Carradine’s “101 shaoling sounding fluff sayings” and I like to post them here. Have I mentioned chi blasts yet in this post?
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Its all just a big e-pe nis contest. Currently the trend is towards MMA, and so their e-pe nises are large and bulbous. That is not to say their training methods are unsound, simply that the quality or lack thereof of anybodies material has no bearing upon wether they will win an internet argument.
Do people really think they are going to change my training habits in a flame war? Do I truly believe I will change theirs?
Id like to think that neither of us are that stupid, and we both just enjoy arguing
Spandex shorts are only for wrestling with Mrs. MK.[/QUOTE]
Its a good thing when these people were the Kung Fu uniforms to events.. I loved watching Deluca in the Kung Fu uniform get his ---------- wuped.
MMA , Sanda, MT all these sporting events are great ways to hone and develop your fighting skill. Granted somethings can’t be legal, and you may have to change a technique or two for another technique. For example NO knee kicking… but thats a small issue. NO matter how you look at it training in these type of environments (and competing) its really were every MA school should be moving. That isn’t to say give up training things that aren’t legal, just realize you can combine the training. Its a no brainier in my book. Look outside the box.
Most people do not realize this, but in both Muay Thai and San Da kicking the knee is LEGAL. In San da, if you fall, we have 3 seconds to kick or stomp on you. In the US, most teams know eachother and we “play nice” but it certainly has happened in international competition. The Chinese team during the worlds that were held in Malaysia (2nd worlds?) used side kick to the knee a lot. It was annoying, but not what most TMA people would think
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;790223]Most people do not realize this, but in both Muay Thai and San Da kicking the knee is LEGAL. In San da, if you fall, we have 3 seconds to kick or stomp on you. In the US, most teams know eachother and we “play nice” but it certainly has happened in international competition. The Chinese team during the worlds that were held in Malaysia (2nd worlds?) used side kick to the knee a lot. It was annoying, but not what most TMA people would think[/QUOTE]
I didn’t know about the stomping rule, although it makes sense now that i think about it. I’ve never actually seen anyone get a stomp in. 3 seconds is tight, the judge usually stops him… where can you kick?
Someone on youtube there is a clip where the red fighter goes in for a front low sweep, he misses, and black round kicks him right in the face and KO’s him… I used that clip to train my fighters NOT to fall willy nilly on the floor
The side kick or direct kicking to the knee thing is annoying, and most people actually find it sort of “cheap”. It’s more of a peck than a full blown attack, it certainly doesn’t stop you, but China used it to rack up points …
[QUOTE=street_fighter;790244]i see. i was actually refering to where you can kick the oponent when hes on the ground. i assume you cant kick the head…[/QUOTE]
when you drop for a low front sweep you ARE on teh ground
[QUOTE=sunfist;790149]‘my style is better than yours blah blah blah’
Its all just a big e-pe nis contest. Currently the trend is towards MMA, and so their e-pe nises are large and bulbous. That is not to say their training methods are unsound, simply that the quality or lack thereof of anybodies material has no bearing upon wether they will win an internet argument.
Do people really think they are going to change my training habits in a flame war? Do I truly believe I will change theirs?
Id like to think that neither of us are that stupid, and we both just enjoy arguing :p[/QUOTE]
Some think changing one’s opinion can happen, but some take the arguing so far as to trivialize the discussion entirely.
[QUOTE=RonH;790255]I’m a flower power chi blast moron who likes to quote from the TV show “kung fu” and who dresses up in women’s clothing on sundays to have tea with “mir big” who is my inflatable rubber boy
[QUOTE=lkfmdc;790223]Most people do not realize this, but in both Muay Thai and San Da kicking the knee is LEGAL. In San da, if you fall, we have 3 seconds to kick or stomp on you. In the US, most teams know eachother and we “play nice” but it certainly has happened in international competition. The Chinese team during the worlds that were held in Malaysia (2nd worlds?) used side kick to the knee a lot. It was annoying, but not what most TMA people would think[/QUOTE]
wow I didn’t know that. Even in training its easy to really hurt someones knee if you REALLY kick it. I know a few people that have broken peoples leg from not being careful enough. Honestly I have a problem even in a sanda/MT fight with kicking someones knees or anything like that. I guess I am too much of a nice guy.
[QUOTE=Shaolinlueb;789837]why do you take kung fu if all you do is dog it for its unrealisticness, its inferior training methods, and “it isnt as good as BJJ”.
why don’t you just quit your school, cause it sounds like a bad one already if you keep on talking about how other styles are better, and just go to a fighting school and do that Gracie Competition stuff. or mma ring stuff.
more power too you. then go find your way over to www.mma.tv and enjoy that.[/QUOTE]
I did quit my school. went to combat sport styles. have not looked back. as long as there is interesting discussion here I will stay. so there. now, why don’t you go eat granola or do forms or something…
[QUOTE=monji112000;790262]wow I didn’t know that. Even in training its easy to really hurt someones knee if you REALLY kick it. I know a few people that have broken peoples leg from not being careful enough. Honestly I have a problem even in a sanda/MT fight with kicking someones knees or anything like that. I guess I am too much of a nice guy.[/QUOTE]
in the ikf, you can make contact with the side of the knee, but not the front
