Set in a strong position… mini battle to gain position… set in that position… another mini battle to gain position … repeat until someone is beat.
I like it. It has a feel of trench warfair… steady advancement… sometimes controlled, strategic retreats.
Standup is the same, but the pace is too fast to enjoy it.
With all due respect Ray this doesn’t belong on the kung fu forum, this is what other related arts is for.
That being said, I pretty much had the same feelings when I started.
Guess you’re right. Truth of the matter I wasn’t even thinking like that. I no longer consider myself a “kung Fu guy” or “internal guy”… they were just certain stops on my road of martial arts. Though taiji, Hsing-I and Ba Gua are where my hands come from.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;712032]Set in a strong position… mini battle to gain position… set in that position… another mini battle to gain position … repeat until someone is beat.
I like it. It has a feel of trench warfair… steady advancement… sometimes controlled, strategic retreats.
Standup is the same, but the pace is too fast to enjoy it.[/QUOTE]
push hands is sort of like that, too…
Definitely. I think all martial arts is like that. But I find push hands to be fast paced too. Working from the ground has its own cool pace.
No-gi is a lot faster because you have less to grab on to and hold.
I like it a lot better.
[QUOTE=bodhitree;712217]With all due respect Ray this doesn’t belong on the kung fu forum, this is what other related arts is for.
That being said, I pretty much had the same feelings when I started.[/QUOTE]
just bein nitpicky (hell, I probably lost street cred for saying that word), but this thread is fine in the kung fu forum. The kung fu forum acts as a general forum - a catch all if you will. That’s why a lot of the OT stuff here doesn’t get deleted. this forum has a bigger audience than the ORA, so he would get more insights and responses here.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;712032]Set in a strong position… mini battle to gain position… set in that position… another mini battle to gain position … repeat until someone is beat.
I like it. It has a feel of trench warfair… steady advancement… sometimes controlled, strategic retreats.
Standup is the same, but the pace is too fast to enjoy it.[/QUOTE]
unless you are rolling with a guy who just likes to spaz … then you just gotta weather the storm and do what you want with him once he tires out. unless he’s gotta real good cardio … then it just kinda sucks for a noob like me.
Heres a tip against newbs:
You have to bait them i.e. give them something so that they think they’ve got you but deprive them of the important detail they need to finish it…not knowing any better they will crank it for all its worth…and they’ll forget about their own defence and you can then take advantage
Example is the guillotine: dive at their legs and give them the guillotine but make sure your chin is tucked and do not let them close their legs around you…you will pass their guard whilst they are still holding it on…now pass to mount (they will still be holding on)…now roll back into guard (they will still be holding on - dont worry about the fact you are giving up the mount, it doesnt always matter)…now just straighten your back and look up and reach back and grab their arm for an easy kimura/shoulder crank.
Another example is the footlock (actually this move works on experienced people too…I caught a very seasoned purple belt with it tonight) let them have the straight footlock but as they sit back point your toes up (this will protect your foot for long enough)..they will have forgotten about their own foot as they will be preoccupied with cranking yours…now grab their foot and apply a footlock of your own. I guarantee you will catch people with this if you do it right.
one other tip for newbs
If you have some spare cash fork out for SBG’s DVD fundamental JKD vol 2…this covers a complete MMA game, shows simple high percentage moves and will give you a really good conceptual breakdown of the whole game (rather than just a bunch of unrelated techniques with thousands of variations)…it has really helped me in the way I think about the ground game and all the moves shown work both for gi and no gi.
in the 2 plus years i have been doing bjj i have come to think of it as being a chess match more than anything i have ever done before. the whole act and react of it reminds me of chess. just thank god that my jiujitsu is better than my chess!!
The thing I love about bjj is that it teaches what to do when you are losing a fight. Badly. If a guy has your back in a ‘real’ fight nothing I learned in my 10-12 years of ‘cma’ showed me exactly what to do…then made me do it over and over again every week until I stopped letting guys take my back. Nothing I learned in my cma school showed me exactly what to do if I found myself flat on my back with a guy sitting on my chest throwing punches.
The kung fu forum acts as a general forum - a catch all if you will. That’s why a lot of the OT stuff here doesn’t get deleted. this forum has a bigger audience than the ORA, so he would get more insights and responses here.
:eek: :eek: :eek:
…thats just the way it is…
My bjj goal is to tap out Merryprankster one day with a rnc.
did someone say JKD?
Erik Paulson has many decent dvds and videos. I also like pretty much any Machado.
I like the Mario Sperry dvds.
My bjj goal is to tap out Merryprankster one day with a rnc.
Reno’s not that far away. Maybe you’ll get your chance one of these days.
[QUOTE=tjmitch;712594]The thing I love about bjj is that it teaches what to do when you are losing a fight. Badly. If a guy has your back in a ‘real’ fight nothing I learned in my 10-12 years of ‘cma’ showed me exactly what to do…then made me do it over and over again every week until I stopped letting guys take my back. Nothing I learned in my cma school showed me exactly what to do if I found myself flat on my back with a guy sitting on my chest throwing punches.[/QUOTE]
really? what style was that? you don’t cover up? feed the stitch side of the forearm? attempt to control the wrists? play the angle of attack to cut it off and reverse? make your own attack?
10-12 years of cma and you never learned to defend yourself from most positions? there is something wrong in what you were taught. that isn’t correct at all. Though cma may not deal with a lot of tactical groundwork, it does deal with protecting yourself in a logical fashion. If not, then there is a problem and that needs to be reviewed. Just because it’s not in a form doesn’t mean it isn’t part of cma. plenty of cma work is formless. Things like chin-na, basic gate closing and opening and so on do not come with forms although their techs may be found in various forms.
just sayin…
David,
I think his point is that regardless of what he may or may not have learned in CMA, if you don’t practice that stuff on the ground, you are going to make a lot of mistakes. BJJ provides a forum and a highly develop set of tactics and techniques to repeatedly train that.
Similarly, if he had repeatedly trained groundfighting in his CMA, perhaps he wouldn’t have made that post. But we all know that most CMAists don’t practice much on the ground - not nearly in the way wrestlers, BJJers, Judoka, etc practice on the ground.
BJJ has standing punching and kicking…but it’s not like anybody ever practices that - and by extension, most straight BJJers can’t punch or kick worth a crap.
makes mental not
Merryprankster can’t punch or kick worth crap
I boxed for about a year WD, and have done a little tiny bit of muay thai…
So it’s safer to say “I can’t punch or kick worth a crap.”
Oh, wait… 