[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;892355]Context Bro, you make a mistake in striking you get knocked out.[/QUOTE]
No, you get hit. Strikers often fall into the trap of believing that everytime someone gets hit it equals a knockout. Not you personally, just a general observation.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;892706]From my experience, you can be in a room of 20 grapplers, and they’ll all be gung ho and game to roll to submission. The moment the vibe changes to wrapping up the hands and getting into the ring, you’re lucky if three hang around.
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I don’t know what sort of grapplers you are talking about but that’s a bit extreme. The great majority of grapplers I have ever known would (have) jump at the chance to throw on the gloves and hop in the ring - especially if they had no idea what they were doing. However, I take the more general point that grapplers might not be so comfortable strking, but on the other hand, how many strikers in the room of 20 would find something else to do if they had to switch to being dumped on their heads and/or chocked unconscious working in a context they are not so familiar with?
Generalized fear is usually about the unknown. That is always going to be relative.
[QUOTE=Kansuke;892724]No, you get hit. Strikers often fall into the trap of believing that every time someone gets hit it equals a knockout. Not you personally, just a general observation.[/QUOTE]
actually, it’s dreamers who fantasize that every time they hit someone they’ll score a knockout. and when the dude turns his head back and he looks even more pizzed, that’s about when that fantasy collapses in a heap on the ground. 
[QUOTE=Andy Miles;892879] There are many amazing technique and variations, but the first step entries are comparatively few. Without mastering them, the others are useless.
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This is what I’m talking about. Round one of my last fight, I won it. I was able to get in, land some strikes and get out, or get clinched. Landed some kicks.
Round two he figured out I was jamming him, and just waited for me to come in and give me the business with his heavy right. And he did. Repeatedly.
I’m now working on boxing, so that’s a different look than my normal strong right lead. But I had no business bringing it out too soon. I need to work on changing levels.
[QUOTE=Kansuke;892724]No, you get hit. Strikers often fall into the trap of believing that everytime someone gets hit it equals a knockout. Not you personally, just a general observation.[/QUOTE]
You have to take the context of the whole post…
[QUOTE=Kansuke;892726]I don’t know what sort of grapplers you are talking about but that’s a bit extreme. The great majority of grapplers I have ever known would (have) jump at the chance to throw on the gloves and hop in the ring - especially if they had no idea what they were doing. However, I take the more general point that grapplers might not be so comfortable strking, but on the other hand, how many strikers in the room of 20 would find something else to do if they had to switch to being dumped on their heads and/or chocked unconscious working in a context they are not so familiar with?
Generalized fear is usually about the unknown. That is always going to be relative.[/QUOTE]
I think Ray is right on the money. Lots of “MMA” folks are just grapplers, only train grappling, and only want to grapple. Once the gloves come out, these guys disappear as fast as wushu players.
I didn’t want to get into it, but that is truly my experience. In fact, one of my pet peeves is BJJ guys referring to submission grappling matches as “fights.”
I don’t want to take anything away from them. Hell, my last BJJ tournament was as physically taxing as anything I’ve ever done, but it was not a fight. A fight is looking across at another man who is going to punch, kick and stomp you as hard as he can until you quit.
Too many BJJ guys cry when they accidentally catch an elbow. And they want you to say you’re sorry, as if it’s not their responsibility to protect themselves.
Obviously this is referring to the lower levels, the guys I spend most of my time with. White and blue belts.
I have some black belt friends at Renzo’s who grew up with BJJ and they would beat me like a gong. They have the healthy bodies. They have the control of their center. And they know enough to cover up and pop you when the chance comes along.
It actually annoys me when people appologize for accidents during training that I could have avoided if I had been paying better attention. The only thing more annoying is when somebody appologizes after they hit me in a wrestling or sparring session.
Seriously…
Don’t appologize for punching me ever. 
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;893133]I didn’t want to get into it, but that is truly my experience. In fact, one of my pet peeves is BJJ guys referring to submission grappling matches as “fights.”
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This bothers me as well.
I hear it all the time from a good friend of mine who rolls bjj.
He gets all nervous about competing too, like it’s a real fight.
I don’t doubt joint injuries in grappling can be painful, but it’s safe money to bet that there are more deaths each year (percentage-wise) in amateur boxing & kickboxing, than grappling.
Brain damage is serious business.
I’ve known a few folks that showed early signs of it as a result of constant hard sparring sessions leading up to their first or second fights.
There’s also the factor of not having a tap to save yourself in striking sports.
Sure, you can not come out for the round, but if you wave your hand & say you don’t want to get hit anymore mid-round; that doesn’t necessarily mean the other guy’s gonna stop. I’ve broken my arm sparring in boxing & I’ve also bruised my ribs on a botched takedown while grappling, the difference is I still had to finish out the round in the boxing.
Most of the BJJ guys I know were/are practitioners of full contact striking systems so, I don’t know of any that are the way you guys describe, but then again I don’t know any BJJ rookies.
[QUOTE=Pork Chop;893300] I’ve broken my arm sparring in boxing & I’ve also bruised my ribs on a botched takedown while grappling, the difference is I still had to finish out the round in the boxing.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Only a fighter understands. Once you go in there’s no stopping until you get KOed or the ref raises someone’s arm… hasn’t been mine yet (****ers!).
[QUOTE=Andy Miles;892879] Because of my posture training I don’t need to sprawl. [/QUOTE]
Well, that’s an…interesting attitude…
[QUOTE=MasterKiller;893065]I think Ray is right on the money. Lots of “MMA” folks are just grapplers, only train grappling, and only want to grapple. Once the gloves come out, these guys disappear as fast as wushu players.[/QUOTE]
Then they aren’t really ‘MMA’ folks, are they?
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;893133]I didn’t want to get into it, but that is truly my experience. In fact, one of my pet peeves is BJJ guys referring to submission grappling matches as “fights.”
I don’t want to take anything away from them. Hell, my last BJJ tournament was as physically taxing as anything I’ve ever done, but it was not a fight. A fight is looking across at another man who is going to punch, kick and stomp you as hard as he can until you quit.[/QUOTE]
So, by that standard a boxing match is not a ‘fight?’
[QUOTE=Kansuke;895460]So, by that standard a boxing match is not a ‘fight?’[/QUOTE]
well there are an average of 9 deaths a year from professional boxing matches - even at the highest levels (more if you live in Indonesia/SE Asia).
how many deaths are there a year at the highest levels of bjj competition?
In bjj, it’s not too uncommon for people to actively seek out & roll with every competitor in their division the day of a competition.
In striking arts, while tournament style competition exists, the very nature of the physical abuse involved with competition (win or lose) excludes one from the amount of full-out experience a grappler can pick up, due to a much lower incidence of injury.
[QUOTE=Kansuke;895460]So, by that standard a boxing match is not a ‘fight?’[/QUOTE]
Hi, Uki !
Jury is still out on that one. So far all Kansuke has done is ask baiting questions with no follow up. No sign of insane new-ageyness or poorly educated attempts at philosophy yet.
[QUOTE=Pork Chop;895552]well there are an average of 9 deaths a year from professional boxing matches - even at the highest levels (more if you live in Indonesia/SE Asia).[/QUOTE]
Ok, so what is the minimum number of deaths per year before something can be considered a fight?
[QUOTE=SimonM;895594]Jury is still out on that one. So far all Kansuke has done is ask baiting questions with no follow up. No sign of insane new-ageyness or poorly educated attempts at philosophy yet.[/QUOTE]
I think MK might of meant ‘‘Hi Unk!’’
[QUOTE=Kansuke;895613]Ok, so what is the minimum number of deaths per year before something can be considered a fight?[/QUOTE]
the goal of a grappling match is not injury, it’s submission
the goal of a striking match (ie a real fight) is injury & concussion; though in some cases submission will serve.
what part of that is so hard to understand?