After 30 years of training and thinking about martial arts it is sad to say there are maybe 5 different types of stand up techniques that I own, am completely calm and confident in using. Guess that’s better than nothing, but that’s not a lot for so many hours training.
I can say, I am getting a lot more techniques from BJJ. Simply because I can use them 3 days week, full resistance, week in and week out. Armbars, Americanas, Kimoras, a handful of chokes and a few leg locks. I’m pulling these off regularly now.
I miss teaching my students because I could train safe drills with boxing gloves and headgear the way I wanted to. The sharpest my hands were were right before I moved down here. Maybe it’s time to get a few students.
Ray
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;892327]After 30 years of training and thinking about martial arts it is sad to say there are maybe 5 different types of stand up techniques that I own, am completely calm and confident in using. Guess that’s better than nothing, but that’s not a lot for so many hours training.[/QUOTE]
I think if you dig a little deeper, you will see you have many more. Just in the clinch alone, you can have many high-percentage techniques. You have underhooks, overhooks, steering, knees, spurs (striking with the heels), shoulder strikes, pummeling, neck clinching, etc…not to mention all the counters.
Sure, striking is basic compared to grappling. But striking isn’t the only component of stand-up fighting.
Hell, I have at least 20 different throws and takedowns that I try to use.
Basic striking is basic compared to basic grappling.
Advanced striking is something different.
Grappling is much more natural for almost anyone than striking is.
Its a lot easier to be a functional grappler than a functional striker.
[QUOTE=TenTigers;892347]“Don’t fear the man who knows a thousand teachniques,
rather, fear the man who knows one technique,
and practiced it a thousand times”
ok, so in your case, 5.[/QUOTE]
Tyson “only” had a left hook, right uppercut and an overhand right…
The striking game has more variables, less control over the opponent, and is more punishing of mistakes than grappling in my book. I count striking to include long range (punches and kicks), short range (hooks, elbows, knees, etc.), clinching to throw, clinching to strike from, footwork for closing, evasion, sweeps, etc.
If that is how you guys see it though, that is fine by me. I am also a fan of grappling.
[QUOTE=Golden Arms;892350]Maybe what is realistic for you.
The striking game has more variables, less control over the opponent, and is more punishing of mistakes than grappling in my book. I count striking to include long range (punches and kicks), short range (hooks, elbows, knees, etc.), clinching to throw, clinching to strike from, footwork for closing, evasion, sweeps, etc.
If that is how you guys see it though, that is fine by me. I am also a fan of grappling.
Agreed, Ronin.[/QUOTE]
Striking also happens at a much faster pace with less room for errors.
Never the less, at its core, the principles of striking are more basic than those of grappling.
Like I said, I am ok with differing opinions. There is a reason that when a human is being hit, they try to clinch instinctively, and not the other way around.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;892355]Context Bro, you make a mistake in striking you get knocked out, in grappling you get to tap.
Context.[/QUOTE]
I’ve been nearly knocked out before… it didn’t hurt nearly as much as the worst tap-out I ever had… nor did it require nearly as much rehabilitation time. I’m not saying a knockout is pleasant. I’m just saying that, especially at sub-pro levels a mistake in wrestling is more likely to be something that punishes you long-term.
[QUOTE=SimonM;892357]I’ve been nearly knocked out before… it didn’t hurt nearly as much as the worst tap-out I ever had… nor did it require nearly as much rehabilitation time.[/QUOTE]
I will take a choke out over a KO anytime.
In grappling I have had a dislocated shoulder, sprained elbow, torn ankle and some dislocated fingers and toes.
I would take any of them over spitting up blood and not breathing from broken ribs( 3) or ****ing blood from a bruised kidney, not to mention the nice headaches that go with a concussion…
Although I would agree that some of the things you mentioned would suck hardcore I’ve personally never experienced them post-boxing. I have however experienced most of the wrestling related injuries you mentioned at one time or another… except for the elbow. And instead of a dislocated shoulder it was the connective tissue that connects my shoulder to my torso at the front getting torn… worst injury I have ever had. Took a month to recover full use of my left arm and another 15 days before I was able to use it properly in a fight.
From my experience, you can be in a room of 20 grapplers, and they’ll all be gung ho and game to roll to submission. The moment the vibe changes to wrapping up the hands and getting into the ring, you’re lucky if three hang around.
A lot of people aren’t comfortable with cracking someone good. Nobody wants to get hit.
I love BJJ. It is a pleasure to train. I’ve always loved training “stand up” in my karate and later Kung Fu days. Now it is a chore I have to do because I’m fighting. I aint dancing around with form. Tonight I was kicked in my left leg 20 times at about 65% to 70% power. Took the same number of punches to the gut, as part of the training.
Shield the attack, change levels, hit. 10 times with each training partner.
Shield the attach, kick the leg. 10 times with each training partner.
This sucks. It’s much more fun to learn a cool leg bar.
I will say I’ve been injured more grappling. But their is more fear to deal with when striking.
[QUOTE=Ray Pina;892706]. But their is more fear to deal with when striking.[/QUOTE]
'that is a very honest and truthful statement. It takes alot of personal courage to be able to admit this.
