Rise/Sink/Open/Close

let see how other did it…

http://www.dcdkungfu.com/dachengquan/master1.html

"As Mr. Wang rose to fame in the 1920’s as an instructor of martial arts, he discovered that students paid undue attention to patterns and postures and neglected the training of the mind and spirit.

Thus, to constantly remind his students of this misunderstanding, he changed Xingyiquan (form and mind boxing) to Yiquan (mind boxing).

By Yi (will or mind) he meant that in practicing boxing, every movement must be guided by a certain idea.

When practiced in this way, the idea of boxing exists in every movement, whether it be walking, standing, sitting or even lying."

it is in every movement… no need to bai Jong.

no need to bai Jong

when there is a need , there is a way , and then there is a robotic slave
taining wheels ,security blankets , trying to connect and belong to things .
these are silly concepts people cry and fight so much to keep these illusions but once there finally rid of them the world opens

once there is a way there is a way to be beaten so so true
let others stay stuck to there mothers nipple [ or is it janet jacksons ]

it makes thing so much easier for those that just accept and flow:D

back to the subject
hendrik there is stable platform short power and thne there is power by momentum
what are your thoughts on the power that comes from the transition between the two :cool: balanced momentum or stable motion

How to FaJing a taichibird

Master Cai’s Use of Stillness by Jan Diepersloot

"Just as the use of movement with relaxation and attention characterizes the art of neutralizing energy, it is the use of stillness with integration and intention that defines the art of discharging energy.

At the higher levels of physical interaction, Master Cai is completely still, having internalized all exterior movement. Neutralization and discharge of energy are accomplished by consciousness alone; awareness (attention) to neutralize, intention to discharge. The great advantage is obvious. The time period for physical response to be completed is eliminated. The response is instantaneous. At the moment Master Cai is touched, he is capable of repelling his opponent with devastating force without moving himself. This is dramatically illustrated in the photograph in (figs 9.1 and 9.2) where the opponent being repelled is a blur of motion, while Master Cai’s image remains crisp and clear."

Okay I saw the figures and the force receiver’s images are kind of blurring in contrast with the sharp image of Cai. - PH

“…Chinese, Japanese, Korean and European, have tried to kick, punch, or shove him. Never did I see anyone of them come close to executing their intentions before being neutralized and thrown back. Master Cai’s awareness is so great that while he always waits for his opponent to initiate the attack, his own response is completed before his opponent’s action is completed. As he put it in his own words ‘you start first, but I arrive and finish first’.”

Originally posted by Ernie
[B]

what are your thoughts on the power that comes from the transition between the two :cool: balanced momentum or stable motion [/B]

even the transition is within “balance”

YOU DON’T EVEN KNOW WHAT BAI JONG IS.

Everytime you open your mouth you do the Wing Chun community a great disservice.

I am amazed at how gullible people are here… You are a Grandmaster of one thing Hendrik. The Grandmaster of Bull****. And it looks like you got a few discples here…

I wonder what the real Grandmasters of Wong Wa Bou would think if they knew you all were subscribing to some nut on the web who says he knows all of your CK and BJ in his White Crane Wing CHun SLT.

They would be as disgusted as I am.

Hendrik:

Again you’re being trolled…but I’m going to suggest something to you now that is the complete opposite of what your adversaries believe…

They say you are telling lies…

I say that you are getting TOO CLOSE TO THE TRUTH… and I, for one, have to bow out of this discussion because of it !

When you wrote…“By Yi (will or mind) he meant that in practicing boxing, every moment must be guided by a certain idea…”

You entered a whole new realm of ESOTERIC discussion that I don’t believe should be engaged in on a public forum…

THOUGHTS ARE THINGS…(This is the alchemy you seek)…

But as a very wise man once said…“Don’t cast your pearls before swine…” (No offense intended to those who already know I mean THEM no harm).

The kind of esoteric training I am referring to now I did not receive from William Cheung or Moy Yat…I received it elsewhere…
with the understanding that I be very careful about imparting it to others…

CERTAINLY NOT ON A PUBLIC FORUM…

Be careful once in this realm, Hendrick…Many karmic repercussions can follow you here that you did not necessarily bargain for.

Adios for now.

Alright. Now things are just getting plain spooky.

victor
tapping out now that’s odd :smiley:
information is information and good information might come from the preacher ot the hooker on the corner ,
the source has nothing to do with the essence of the idea or info , if you can do somehting useful with it .

most of what i read is not new to me but sometimes the way it is said or orginized gives me a different perspective or a new way to pass it on to some one else .

the swarm of bee’s that like to buzz and sting each other has nothing to do with the honey being shared ,

just put on some bug block and keeep on digging :smiley:

it just sad to see grown ups act like kids , and pauls thread get catch a stray bullet in a gang fight were both gangs are fighting over property that belongs to niether

oh well

hendrik
[even the transition is within "balance ]

this is very true , but why do so many lack the ability to glide and tap into the power at will
instead they fiend for the earth and become clunky like 2 spiked poles pulling in and out of the ground , perhaps an inbalance to much of one idea stunts the ability to flow to the next another ‘‘need’’ for security , or lack of short power so they walk with crutches

just some thoughts

Ernie says…

"it just sad to see grown ups act like kids , and pauls thread get catch a stray bullet in a gang fight were both gangs are fighting over property that belongs to niether

oh well"

Ernie,

I’ve scene this behavior before from his colleagues. In that Phoenix read something. Made his own translation. And therefore thinks he knows what it means. In both cases , their actual awareness of what the true meaning was very very low. And somewhat humorous if you actually knew the real meaning.

This goes beyond that though. As I truly feel he is being dis-respectful to the art of what most people consider real WC by his latest posts.

He’s no Kung Fu man… Any real Master would not give him the time of day. It is only on this board that people get suckered in by him. Real Buddist Masters from China think he’s wondering at best. We’ve shown them his writings just for a laugh.

You HFY guys amaze me!

Hi Hendrik!

I’ve been trying to follow this thread somewhat. There is some excellent information here. I want to congratulate you for ignoring the HFY guys that are trying to turn this thread into just another big politicial argument. Just because you are stating things that you believe that are contrary to what they have been taught, they feel the need to jump and start the personal attacks on you. Please continue to ignore them and post what you think. What you have been saying jives very well with what I have been taught in the past.

Duende, Canglong, etc.
All you HFY guys should be ashamed of the pure venom and ill-will you have displayed in the posts on this thread. My opinion of your family has dropped another notch as a result. Would GM Gee approve of the spiteful attacks in the last several posts here from your group?

Keith

KPM,

It is Hendrick who is once again using his clumsy misinterpretations of HFY knowledge and spreading BS.

Ashamed for not letting him get away with it… Not likely.

You ought to be ashamed for being so naive and giving him merit.

Originally posted by duende
[B]KPM,

It is Hendrick who is once again using his clumsy misinterpretations of HFY knowledge and spreading BS.

Ashamed for not letting him get away with it… Not likely.

You ought to be ashamed for being so naive and giving him merit. [/B]

—Let me ask one more time…regardless of what you think of Hendrik and what he has to say…would GM Gee approve of the spiteful attacks in this thread coming from members of the HFY family?

Keith

Cai Song Feng/Insults

Hey Paul!

Cai’s major training is Wuji Zhuang standing!

Book number two in that series is nothing short of fantastic!

Duende,

I am amazed at how gullible people are here… You are a Grandmaster of one thing Hendrik. The Grandmaster of Bull****. And it looks like you got a few discples here…

That comment is extremely rude and insulting to those of us who appreciate (and understand) Hendriks posts. This is a technical conversation and if you do not appreciate it you do not have to participate.

Regards,

fundamentalists loose on the forum…

Victor,

When you wrote…“By Yi (will or mind) he meant that in practicing boxing, every moment must be guided by a certain idea…”

You entered a whole new realm of ESOTERIC discussion that I don’t believe should be engaged in on a public forum…------V

Actually, that is not my words, but qoute from the same web above.

The YiChuan people, xing yee people, and the Taiji people has been practiced that since their ancestors. As in the taiji classical is said “it is in the yee, not in the qi…”

So, you are right it is a different realm but it is always there, however we dont look at them closely.

In WCK, as it said " kuen choong sum fatt" or strike issue from heart, it is also entering this realm.

Be careful once in this realm, Hendrick…Many karmic repercussions can follow you here that you did not necessarily bargain for.-------V

Thanks. you are right.

One side, WCK got challenge by Grapper for take down, the otherside, Yee Chuan people has using the Yi for training. Where do WCK stand, if we not get into the realm of intuition or strike issue from heart

In Buddhism’s Avatamsaka Sutra, it is said " if people wants to understand all the Buddha of past, present, and future, comtemplate the characteristics/nature of Phenomenon, everything creates by heart"

I just hope we all open our heart. We know WCK has the technology. we also know, we can do good to the world. As it was told in the lotus sutra something like :

the buddha promises excelent magic luxury to his students . when he ask them to come out from the dangerous burning house ,and at the end he give those lux things to them when they came out; even the extra bonus— the enlightenment mind seal, the prespective of the buddha wisdom.
And, the students give up those luxury because they have posses the wisdom. they understand wisdom to serve living being constructively is the path. not those who is number one or the lux stuffs or thier magic skill – those are just tools to do good, not indulge in.

Perhaps, the ancestor of us who create SLT is exactly set us up the same way, give us the fighting skill, lead us into “strike issue from heart” and at the end, the real goal is to lead us into the wisdom of serving others to do good like spring---- fill with light and warm. light is wisdom and warm is compassionate. Only then, at that stage the transformation of SLT completed.

I think this is an information era, a high degree of knowledge is needed for WCK to grow into " strong in its martial art and practice compassionate and constructive growth towards living beings." without the noblelity, we will not grow out of our own animal state and suffer.

THOUGHTS ARE THINGS…(This is the alchemy you seek)…-----V

You are right. Thoughts are certainly things, we brought things like cell phone to this world from our/design engineer’s thoughts . but that is not the untimate. that is just a part of the process of creation.

to be able to create is the final goal of the alchemy.

and i am asking, can we create ----spring which grow everything, instead of “I am number one”, or “kill the qing with WCK”?

in addition, the thought also can create our health---- there is where the qi, chakra stuffs come in to play…

If there is karmic for creation which it must be, then, I choose to create a karmic of deliver a massage to WCNers ----

"SLT , no question, has advance ma within it , but it is equal or more important that we live in compassionate contructive and peace towards other living beings.

we need to end the hatret which create by the story of Anti-Qing or I am number one, for those thoughts become pain and suffering. and effect our health if we constantly think so. Thoughts and choice focus and distribute the energy. and that is the begining of creation----- kuen choong sum fatt"

Just some thought

I think I better stop to post in this subject since the message deliver.

Hiya Jim,

Wow! Quite a few fireworks to wake me up all day! Folks, let be civil to each other. There is no need to call people with unsavory names or labels. You have the right to call reasons and arguments to your cause. But really, name calling is out of thread!

Regards,
PH

Paul,

You guys had a discussion going. By all means, that’s fine by me. There was no reason for Phoenix to bring up my lineage’s technical knowledge other then as a part of his slander campaign.

He does not know what Bai Jong means, and he does not know what Yi Ngh Jahn Chiuh Mihn Jeui Yihng means. He does not have any CK or BG.

That is fact. Plain and simple.

I for one find him to be nothing more than a mumbling idiot, but hey… If you all think he has some ancient chinese secret to impart… that’s your own trip.

Have your discussion. But be fore-warned. Everytime Hendrick trys to say mis-info about us, I will correct him.

true true

i for one have been enjoying following the discussion

i take any information i find useful for my own
development and keep it - anything else i simply disregard
i dont climb to the top of my mountain and
p*ss all over it, thats about as constructive as chasing hands

jon

duende
[[Ernie,

I’ve scene this behavior before from his colleagues. In that Phoenix read something. Made his own translation. And therefore thinks he knows what it means. In both cases , their actual awareness of what the true meaning was very very low. And somewhat humorous if you actually knew the real meaning.]]]

----- if this is true then there is no need to take pot shots , if you have a greater understanding , simply post your information in a clear simple fashion , and let the information speak for itself , that’s the cool thing about the truth and facts and skill these things stand out , and there is no need to hide behind the cloak and dagger mentality , if you see holes in the infromation about the power generation of the wing chun body , then by all means share in plain english , this way we can all move on together ----

[[[[This goes beyond that though. As I truly feel he is being dis-respectful to the art of what most people consider real WC by his latest posts.]]]]
----real wing chun / pure wing chun smoke and mirriors , i only see training mehtods and attribute development , and combat application so i doubt i will be led astray by fantasy , but if ou really care about other just lay it down , how do you train it ,how do you develop it , and so on------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[[[[He’s no Kung Fu man… Any real Master would not give him the time of day. It is only on this board that people get suckered in by him. Real Buddist Masters from China think he’s wondering at best. We’ve shown them his writings just for a laugh.]]]]]

-----there are no kung fu men or real masters just men that trained in a fashion that gave them skill , no need for hero worship , i see anything as attainable as long as the training method is clear and progressive , that’s why things like history , martial art quaker mindsets trying ti live in the past illusion stuff makes me laugh , strip it down to it’s bare essentials , focus on the timing ,speed ,power , adaptability and mental intent . and leave the who did what when and why for shaw brothers movies
this thread is about the wing chun body and application what can you add to that , if your nature is truly one of concern for others , then share your view

Originally posted by Ernie
[B]

hendrik
[even the transition is within "balance ]

this is very true , but why do so many lack the ability to glide …
[/B]

may be because they dont understand resultant force..and perhaps dont sense the vectors existance, but force thing with will … IMHO