http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbSMe3IpWDk&feature=related
this is manly this is strong this is kung fu
STRONG
all they need is high pitched annoying chinese music and go into berserker trance, then it will be just like the old days.
Manhandled
[QUOTE=bawang;1126480]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbSMe3IpWDk&feature=related
this is manly this is strong this is kung fu
STRONG
all they need is high pitched annoying chinese music and go into berserker trance, then it will be just like the old days.[/QUOTE]
Who said strength and size doesn’t matter. The first sparring fight shows it very well and that’s how it happens in the street unless a skinny, smart and agile fighter can do better.
Thats not the TRU TRU2form…no one is doing any forms at the beginning :rolleyes:
[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1127287]Thats not the TRU TRU2form…no one is doing and forms at the beginning :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
lol - so already we have a basterdization of the basterdization…
[QUOTE=bawang;1126480]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbSMe3IpWDk&feature=related
this is manly this is strong this is kung fu
STRONG
all they need is high pitched annoying chinese music and go into berserker trance, then it will be just like the old days.[/QUOTE]
yes diaper wearing so.
maybe softer shoes since you are on mattress. there is enough traction already.
you may do serious damage with hard shoes.
then again you want to protect your toes, too.
lol - so already we have a basterdization of the basterdization…
bahsterds!!! 
that IS NOT tang lang fighting… bad display of mantis, actually didnt see any mantis application or technique…
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1127461]that IS NOT tang lang fighting… sad display of mantis, actually didtnb see any mantis application or technique…boo[/QUOTE]
If people like you think this is not Tanglang then my mission is complete.
BT
the diaper wearing on the outside
as if madonna wearing bra outside her street clothes
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even lady gaga has her limits
dun you think?
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It’s a spare guard that anyone can use so there’s no way they’re gonna wear it on the inside. Also quicker to throw on.
[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1127461]that IS NOT tang lang fighting… sad display of mantis, actually didtnb see any mantis application or technique…boo[/QUOTE]
the only thing not tang lang fighting is YOU MOTHER
Sorry BT, but I even watched it again thinking I missed something and gave it a second chance, but I didnt see any mantis flavor in that sparring match.
I see typical bouncing up and down and jabbing much like a boxing or tae kwon do sparring 1 for 1 match.
I also saw wrestling when they went to the ground.
I really didnt see anything that makes it look like praying mantis. I would say if you asked a 100 people what style are the fightoing with no one would be able to answer.
I do respect you and your school and love your practical application as I have seen it in other clips, but I just dont see the mantis in this one, didnt men to offend in anyway just MHO.
Each to his own. I won’t go on about it too much, but basically everything u can see in that clip is found in Tanglang (the long fist and wrestling components most obviously), apart from going to the ground. The whole point is that it doesn’t have to ‘look’ like anything other than fighting. I made a conscious decision to add those clips to show another aspect. If u watch our recently added sparring clips with boxing gloves you will see even less of what you understand as mantis boxing. I didn’t even title them Tanglang as I couldn’t be bothered. But if our gloved sparring looked the same as our open hand basic level stuff we would be way off track. Different formats for working different skills.
Yes there are generic techniques in those clips. But when all is said and done, I am a mantis boxer, they are my students- that is mantis boxing.
BT
I will give it to you that one of the boys bounced around in a TKD reminiscent manner. He got exactly what he ordered as a result…
but basically everything u can see in that clip is found in Tanglang (the long fist and wrestling components most obviously), apart from going to the ground.
I personally would have liked to see more rooting waist/power generation, trapping, hooking (feet and arms) and some jointlocking, maybe a throw or two. But I see your point.
The whole point is that it doesn’t have to ‘look’ like anything other than fighting
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If it’s posted under a thread called tru to form I would like to see more flavor of the stlye thats all.
if the thread asked what do you think about this sparring I would have responded differently. I love the real life practical stuff B you know I strive and preach realistic application all day long.
If u watch our recently added sparring clips with boxing gloves you will see even less of what you understand as mantis boxing.
which is should as obviously you need open hands, but again if it was bare handed and little slower and controlled perhaps it would have look more like the style and not so generic..
Yes there are generic techniques in those clips. But when all is said and done, I am a mantis boxer, they are my students- that is mantis boxing.
fair enough, even an artist who is cooking is inside still an artist not a cook.
I did say I wouldn’t go on about it but I have some time on my hands as I’m recovering from knee surgery so here goes…
I don’t really feel need the need to defend the clip (first of all it wasn’t me who posted it here) but I do stand by my statement that it is still Tanglang. I don’t mind the criticism either, however to me there were plenty of far more obvious negative aspects in there to pick up on, such as: sloppy footwork, including crossing feet; superfluous movement (including some pointless bouncing); kicks and punches thrown miles off target and for no apparent reason, pointlessly high kicks also delivered way off target, dropped guards, exposed chins etc. A lot of those things were punished in that clip and the one preceding it (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jj2RU_Ex9JU)* by the bigger lad, Sam. The way in which he did so was not too bad in my opinion and in some cases, pretty much textbook. So you have the good with the bad. Anyway, my point is - the methods used are all valid Tanglang.
The apparent problem in sparring with Tanglang (or at least the problem that people seem to have these days, especially in the west) is that techniques such as gou, lou, cai, diao shou, shuang feng shou, di lou chui, tou shou etc are techniques which are generally employed in the initial phase/first contact of a self defence situation or an assault. Sparring works the aspect of the conflict that is the back and forth exchange that takes place after that initial point. In the case of Tanglang, this is the part that is largely dominated by its Longfist component (i.e. punches and kicks). Once you get into clinch it moves to duanda (knees, elbows and butting) then na/shuai.
As Alexander Tse points out in the introduction to Mishou Lian Quan, in this kind of sparring (particularly with boxing gloves), you are employing the Taizu Chang Quan component of the 18 Families. Funnily enough -he also states that in doing so, people will not recognise it as Tanglang.
These components are also unfortunately the weakest for many Kungfu people because they dont/wont spar and mainly only practice two-man drills, which deal almost exclusively in the initial phase of the conflict. Couple that with the myth of the 2 second finish and deadly or disabling techniques (yes, they do exist but they are extremely low percentage), and most practitioners never actually become proficient fighters because they cant actually fight. Even the methodology of training for or operating in a true fight (i.e. a back and forth exchange between two expectant and willing opponents) is lacking. The thing is, it was there originally and it still is in some schools.
Regarding the clip above (which is the better one in my opinion), ED you should be able to clearly see at least 5 chiu tui/hook kicks, and at least 4 classical kick-catch takedowns. On top of that, in both clips there are clear examples of wo du chui, bian chui, quan chui, feng tong and gua tong chui, bu chui, kan zhang, yuanyang jiao, bimen jiao, chan tui, ci lei jiao, quan jiao, tan tui, deng chuai, ce chuai, one clear instance of deng pu and bai yuan tou tao amongst others. I am disappointed in the absence of furen jiao. There are also exhibited characteristics (regardless of the level of proficiency) of Zhan, Nian, Bang, Tie, Lai, Jiao, Shun, Song, Ti, Na, Feng, Bi, certainly Shan, Zhuan, Teng, Nuo and Gua, Beng and Chong. I wont go on because it will become a case of Doth protest too much.
As far as the number of single and double legs in both clips, each one was a gift and the opportunity that presented was taken. As far as the stuff on the ground, a good thing I edited out the triangles, arm bars and foot locks hey…
BT
*Kid in white in first clip and at the start of part 2 first time sparring in my club. He is a beginner of only a few months and I let him spar without interfering stylistically.
I dunno, I like these clips.
It’s come up here so many times about “this looks like kickboxing” or whatever.
I think the best signs of the differences between styles are the subtle things.
This probably feeds the argument that all good stuff follows the same general principles, but I really love seeing the slight variations.
The kicks are very chinese.
They way you guys use the lead leg may be a mantis thing - i see you guys turning the lead leg kick into a sweep a quite bit.
You guys snag legs out of the air that a lot of san shou guys wouldn’t go for.
I thought both clips were nice, controlled sparring, without playing pitter patter.
Little more head contact might not be a bad thing - but with those gloves it may hard to stay pretty.
I would say sam probably needs some larger partners. 
Cheers Pork Chop.
Yep, Sam is a bit heavy (generally sits around 98-100 kgs) and there are only a couple of other kids in this particular group that size, one of which who isn’t in this clip, but who is a good match and one who is, but who we have to be careful with as he has had 2 major brain hemorrhages, hence him always wearing headgear and light shots to the head. Luckily we are in a good gym where I can match him against equal sized boxers and muay thai people, plus I occasionally bring in people from outside. Other than that, I have to fight him and I usually come off second best these days;)
Yeah, you are right about the head contact - they were a bit cagey. It was one of the kid’s second time sparring with MMA gloves and another kid (in white) - first time sparring with us at all. Plus it got a bit sensitive and gay around the time these were filmed because a couple of the boys got overexcited and started on each other for real in the weeks leading up to this, hence me trying so hard to keep them down to 60% intensity. Everyone’s sorted their issues now so it’s back to sensible self regulation. I will make sure that we get at least a couple of facial fractures and concussions in the next batch of clips though.
BT
[QUOTE=B.Tunks;1128035]I will make sure that we get at least a couple of facial fractures and concussions in the next batch of clips though.
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:eek::eek:
i know you’re probably just being silly.
don’t get me wrong, i much prefer “too little” contact to “too much” contact, as long as they keep it realistic.
Sam seems like he’d be fun to work with, good control.