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ha ha, yeah probably should have chucked on another :wink:

Sam’s getting much better with control in the last year or so but he was terrible in the past. He’s previously ‘inadvertently’ broken one of my kid’s leg (16 weeks in full ankle to hip plaster), cracked my ribs, elbowed, kneed and kicked me in the face during ‘light’ contact, dislocated another kid’s shoulder and of course broken the odd nose etc. Of course not intentionally. We have a lot of bad luck with injury lately actually. Now, one hyper-extended elbow, a broken foot, broken/dislocated thumb, a torn ACL plus my own knee. Not good in such a small group…

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Shame about the injuries.
They’re probably the aspect of the game that is the most frustrating.
My stance on hard sparring is that anything that keeps me out of the gym is a bad thing, so the goal is to do it periodically, when I need it, & can grow from it.
My best training partners have each broken my ribs.
Grappling seems to be inherently injury-causing as well.
Most of the grapplers I know are rehabbing a joint injury of some type.

I’m hoping the yoga can help me stay relatively injury free.

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[QUOTE=B.Tunks;1128040]Sam’s getting much better with control in the last year or so but he was terrible in the past. He’s previously ‘inadvertently’ broken one of my kid’s leg (16 weeks in full ankle to hip plaster), cracked my ribs, elbowed, kneed and kicked me in the face during ‘light’ contact, dislocated another kid’s shoulder and of course broken the odd nose etc. Of course not intentionally. We have a lot of bad luck with injury lately actually. Now, one hyper-extended elbow, a broken foot, broken/dislocated thumb, a torn ACL plus my own knee. Not good in such a small group…[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Pork Chop;1128042]Shame about the injuries.
They’re probably the aspect of the game that is the most frustrating.[/QUOTE]

OK, just to throw a couple of pennies in here, let me play Devil’s Advocate…

Now if you are ‘training’ for ‘real life situations’ and ‘teh street’, why wouldn’t your reflexes be sharp enough to either roll with the punch/kick that broke the nose? You never know when someone is going to sucker punch you…

Even if I wasn’t “expecting” it during a light-sparring match, if a foot or a knee or an elbow fly’s towards my face I would cover up… You can’t just tell an attacker on the street that there are no head shots…

Also, why in the world is someone who has had multiple MAJOR BRAIN HEMORRHAGES be sparring in any form whatsoever? If he needs to learn self defense, then learn to shoot. Who cleared him to spar? Who’s school is about to be sued beyond existence?

-David

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[QUOTE=hskwarrior;1127287]Thats not the TRU TRU2form…no one is doing any forms at the beginning :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

Good stuff!

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[QUOTE=EarthDragon;1127612]Sorry BT, but I even watched it again thinking I missed something and gave it a second chance, but I didnt see any mantis flavor in that sparring match.

I see typical bouncing up and down and jabbing much like a boxing or tae kwon do sparring 1 for 1 match.

I also saw wrestling when they went to the ground.
I really didnt see anything that makes it look like praying mantis. I would say if you asked a 100 people what style are the fightoing with no one would be able to answer.
I do respect you and your school and love your practical application as I have seen it in other clips, but I just dont see the mantis in this one, didnt men to offend in anyway just MHO.[/QUOTE]

This is what I see as what Long Fist fighting looks like. I don’t see much Mantis either, but it could easily be all sorts of stuff from common Long Fist.

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[QUOTE=CLFLPstudent;1128048]OK, just to throw a couple of pennies in here, let me play Devil’s Advocate…

Now if you are ‘training’ for ‘real life situations’ and ‘teh street’, why wouldn’t your reflexes be sharp enough to either roll with the punch/kick that broke the nose? You never know when someone is going to sucker punch you…

Even if I wasn’t “expecting” it during a light-sparring match, if a foot or a knee or an elbow fly’s towards my face I would cover up… You can’t just tell an attacker on the street that there are no head shots…

Also, why in the world is someone who has had multiple MAJOR BRAIN HEMORRHAGES be sparring in any form whatsoever? If he needs to learn self defense, then learn to shoot. Who cleared him to spar? Who’s school is about to be sued beyond existence?

-David[/QUOTE]

D,

O.K, fair enough. That’s what I get for airing dirty laundry on the net. So I should clarify a few things:

2 hemorrhaghes, so I suppose you could say multiple. Approx 6 years ago. He’s an adult who makes his own decisions, of course supported by medical advice. Also, due to his previous injury - he wears headgear at all times (apart from open hand contact) and light contact to the head by trusted and controlled partners. I do not allow him to compete as a result and will not until, and if, he is ever given the all clear by his doctor (and of course the governing body), which is unlikely. He is family and I will not put his life at risk, hence my constant and close monitoring from the sidelines. as far as ‘self defence’, he can already look after himself quite well in that respect.

My school has no chance of being sued beyond existence for a couple of reasons. One, I don’t operate as a commercial venture and all of my students are either family or close friends. I don’t teach publicly and in the rare few instances of accepting members of the public over the past 13 years I have been extremely careful in how I introduce sparring. Obviously I’m not an idiot so I’m also covered for indemnity. Beyond that, the gym in which we train has it’s own stringent agreements in place with each individual which I won’t go into here. Cheers for the concern though.

As far as whether my or their reflexes are sharp enough to roll with the punches to avoid breaks etc, the answer is no. I don’t know about you but I can tell you that in pretty much every street fight I have been (apart from when I have k.o’d my opponent at the outset), I have busted knuckles, dislocated fingers/thumbs, busted my nose (or at least a decent amount of blood), received a significant cut, if not a concussion, cracked a tooth or been scratched or bitten (including teeth cutting my knuckles) plus burn marks around the throat and armpits from clothes being torn etc (not to mention gravel rash and glass fragments). As far as in sparring, I think we must be doing it wrong because it seems to me that the more you spar, the more you get injured. Obviously I have a lot of work to do to get up to your level.

Thanks for the feedback.

BT

(Thanks for starting this thread Bawang you *******)

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[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;1128060]This is what I see as what Long Fist fighting looks like. I don’t see much Mantis either, but it could easily be all sorts of stuff from common Long Fist.[/QUOTE]

Cool. What about this then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ2z_QUvjN8

(might as well start spamming the thread)

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[QUOTE=Pork Chop;1128042]Shame about the injuries.
They’re probably the aspect of the game that is the most frustrating.
My stance on hard sparring is that anything that keeps me out of the gym is a bad thing, so the goal is to do it periodically, when I need it, & can grow from it.
[/QUOTE]

Spot on. I learnt this the hard way and am now becoming more responsible in my approach. I admit that my/my teacher’s approach to that aspect of sparring was not very scientific.

BT

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That throw is not Chinese.

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Cool. What about this then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ2z_QUvjN8

This clip (the first fight) I liked better than the orginal one posted.
its seemed like a better match up skill wise not size, and you were able to see different tech used that had more kung fu flavor in them.
I especially like dthe fact that when the guy fell you said kick him when he down…

I love this because fights dont stop when you fall, they actually just start going so student must know how to react when this happens. You dont just stop and stand back up.

I sparred a professional boxer paul marrinaccio a friend of mine, we did some excchange we clinched and I sweep his ankle and twisted and took him down, when we hit the ground he said nice one but …“you cant do that” and he tried to get up I laughed and said who says?
I explianed that I must fight my fight not yours and mantis uses whatever it can to survive.

I realize that when sparring its hard not to look like a typical exchange boxing or kick boxing match, but the more you inherently one adapts the style to instinctive movements rather than rehersred or learned, the more it will take on the spirit and charateristics of the animal or insect in this case…

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[QUOTE=B.Tunks;1128064]Cool. What about this then:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ2z_QUvjN8

(might as well start spamming the thread)[/QUOTE]

More of the same. looks like Long Fist to me. Lots of long range striking attacks, close and take down. Many of the take downs seem more Shuai Jiao like though.

I think your guys are good offensively, but need serious work on defense, and foot work. A lot of the foot work I see here is pretty noodly. Same critique goes for the other clip.

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[QUOTE=CLFLPstudent;1128048]OK, just to throw a couple of pennies in here, let me play Devil’s Advocate…

Now if you are ‘training’ for ‘real life situations’ and ‘teh street’, why wouldn’t your reflexes be sharp enough to either roll with the punch/kick that broke the nose? You never know when someone is going to sucker punch you…

Even if I wasn’t “expecting” it during a light-sparring match, if a foot or a knee or an elbow fly’s towards my face I would cover up… You can’t just tell an attacker on the street that there are no head shots…
[/QUOTE]

I didn’t realize people chose to get hit.

Take boxers for example.
Boxing is a limited skillset as far as number of techniques and number of angles that you have to defend against.
Boxers have millions of dollars riding on the ability to hit without getting hit.
Even Floyd Mayweather Jr; arguably the least hit boxer in history, was rocked in at least one fight (against Demarcus “Chop Chop” Corley). Same goes for Willie Pep.

I find it interesting that every other fighting sport out there accepts the fact that things are going to happen beyond your control. I’m curious why certain corners of the kung fu world are so hung up on these superhero fantasies that the best fighters never even get hit, let alone never get beaten.

Covering up your head is a good way to get your ribs busted up.

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[QUOTE=Pork Chop;1128174]I didn’t realize people chose to get hit.

Take boxers for example.
Boxing is a limited skillset as far as number of techniques and number of angles that you have to defend against.
Boxers have millions of dollars riding on the ability to hit without getting hit.
Even Floyd Mayweather Jr; arguably the least hit boxer in history, was rocked in at least one fight (against Demarcus “Chop Chop” Corley). Same goes for Willie Pep.

I find it interesting that every other fighting sport out there accepts the fact that things are going to happen beyond your control. I’m curious why certain corners of the kung fu world are so hung up on these superhero fantasies that the best fighters never even get hit, let alone never get beaten.

Covering up your head is a good way to get your ribs busted up.[/QUOTE]

Because most of thier public fights were against people who were seriously under classed in skill. This then shows the master walking through him as if he was invincible, and completely in control.

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[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;1128136] Many of the take downs seem more Shuai Jiao like though.[/QUOTE]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ2z_QUvjN8

I only see wrestling single leg and double legs. I don’t see hip throw (for shorter persom to control the lower body) or head lock (for taller person to control the upper body) that are commonly used in Shuai Chiao. How to use your leg to sweep/hook/scoop/scikle/lift/twist/bite/spring/cut/ … are the center of the Chinese throwing art.

Here is a simple Chinese throw. It’s clear to see the leg function “outer sickle” was performed here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eVGBLUSHf8

“To use your arms to wrap around your opponent’s body and then to use your leg to take your opponent down (let your hands to do your hands job, and let you legs to do your legs job)”,

is the major principle of the Chinese throwing art.

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1128246]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ2z_QUvjN8

I only see wrestling single leg and double legs. I don’t see hip throw (for shorter persom to control the lower body) or head lock (for taller person to control the upper body) that are commonly used in Shuai Chiao. How to use your leg to sweep/hook/scoop/scikle/lift/twist/bite/spring/cut/ … are the center of the Chinese throwing art.

Here is a simple Chinese throw. It’s clear to see the leg function “outer sickle” was performed here.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eVGBLUSHf8

“To use your arms to wrap around your opponent’s body and then to use your leg to take your opponent down (let your hands to do your hands job, and let you legs to do your legs job)”,

is the major principle of the Chinese throwing art.[/QUOTE]

Thank You! You always post the best stuff!

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[QUOTE=YouKnowWho;1128246]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ2z_QUvjN8

I only see wrestling single leg and double legs. I don’t see hip throw (for shorter persom to control the lower body) or head lock (for taller person to control the upper body) that are commonly used in Shuai Chiao. How to use your leg to sweep/hook/scoop/scikle/lift/twist/bite/spring/cut/ … are the center of the Chinese throwing art.
[/QUOTE]

YKW,

You can find plenty of examples in my earlier clips. In 2008 most of these guys were beginners, they probably found single and double one of the easiest ways to take someone off the feet.

BT

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[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;1128136]More of the same. looks like Long Fist to me. Lots of long range striking attacks, close and take down. Many of the take downs seem more Shuai Jiao like though.
[/QUOTE]

RD,

Grateful if you post any links to Long Fist schools (any family) sparring in a similar manner, for the purposes of comparison.

Cheers,

BT

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[QUOTE=B.Tunks;1128410]RD,

Grateful if you post any links to Long Fist schools (any family) sparring in a similar manner, for the purposes of comparison.

Cheers,

BT[/QUOTE]

I don’t really know any. However, Chinese sanda/Sanshou is mostly the application of Long Fist techniques, so search all that stuff.

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[QUOTE=RD’S Alias - 1A;1128433]I don’t really know any. However, Chinese sanda/Sanshou is mostly the application of Long Fist techniques, so search all that stuff.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I’ve seen plenty. Was thinking you might have seen some Long Fist specific stuff (not sports sanda) that I haven’t seen that closely compares to this.

BT

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[QUOTE=B.Tunks;1128040]ha ha, yeah probably should have chucked on another :wink:

Sam’s getting much better with control in the last year or so but he was terrible in the past. He’s previously ‘inadvertently’ broken one of my kid’s leg (16 weeks in full ankle to hip plaster), cracked my ribs, elbowed, kneed and kicked me in the face during ‘light’ contact, dislocated another kid’s shoulder and of course broken the odd nose etc. Of course not intentionally. We have a lot of bad luck with injury lately actually. Now, one hyper-extended elbow, a broken foot, broken/dislocated thumb, a torn ACL plus my own knee. Not good in such a small group…[/QUOTE]

saw this and thought to myself how the h*ll do you get away with all those injuries without being sued or your students stopping coming…then i saw you come from the country that gave us Oz rules football and all made sense :slight_smile:

nice clips by the way