None “Glorified Kickboxing” kung fu sparring:
Have a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC6NPQfZ2Lo&feature=related
This looks like kung fu as opposed to pseudo-kung fu!
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[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1129646]
Have a look:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HC6NPQfZ2Lo&feature=related
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Glorified Kickboxers will understand this pic. 
Actually Not a bad clip. Better than most of the crappy u post.
[QUOTE=Dragonzbane76;1129667]Actually Not a bad clip. Better than most of the crappy u post.[/QUOTE]
Which “crappy” videos are you referring to?
[QUOTE=MightyB;1129666]
Glorified Kickboxers will understand this pic. :)[/QUOTE]
Of course Glorified Kickboxers will understand this pic. After all, the golf ball is a reference to the size of their brains…LOL!
I thought it was pretty good too - just would’ve liked to see him protect his head a bit more. Could be a sign of extreme confidence or arrogance - either way, it’s a good way to eat a punch if you’re not careful.
If his sparring partner would have done something than throw half-hearted kicks it might have been more interesting.
I have to say though, I’d be reluctant to punch a Buddhist monk too. 
watched it again - overall it’s a pretty good example of kung fu fighting - one thing that gets lost in a lot of traditional schools is how to occupy and dominate your opponent’s space. Control the space, control his balance, win the fight. I often say that mantis to be effective, has to fight in a two to three palm length distance (measuring from the base of the palm to the extended finger tips). Any further out and you better be good at kickboxing or TKD - and at that range, you need speed and luck because it’s 50/50 and I’m neither lucky or fast… anyway - like I said, I would have liked to see him protect his head a bit more, but that could just be his confidence in dealing with a reporter - but the video is a good example of space/balance domination using traditional techniques.
[QUOTE=SimonM;1129673]If his sparring partner would have done something than throw half-hearted kicks it might have been more interesting.[/QUOTE]
Have a look at the fight clips at the end of the video. I don’t think that his opponent had any chance to throw anything then…LOL!
[QUOTE=SimonM;1129673]I have to say though, I’d be reluctant to punch a Buddhist monk too. :p[/QUOTE]
You are wise, I mean why risk getting yourself hurt unnecessarily?
[QUOTE=MightyB;1129674] I would have liked to see him protect his head a bit more, but that could just be his confidence in dealing with a reporter - but the video is a good example of space/balance domination using traditional techniques.[/QUOTE]
Agreed. It is very easy to look awesome when there is a massive skill variance between the parties sparring.
That’s why I’d have liked to see the wuseng spar somebody with some skill. He does clearly have skill, but featuring this isn’t any different than featuring any other expert of any other MA beating up a cable news-provided tomato can.
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1129676]
You are wise, I mean why risk getting yourself hurt unnecessarily?[/QUOTE]
You’ll note I didn’t specify which order of Buddhist monk.
I’ve got a thing about hitting pacifists, try not to do it regardless of their prowess.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1129674]watched it again - overall it’s a pretty good example of kung fu fighting [/QUOTE]
You are welcome!
[QUOTE=MightyB;1129674]- one thing that gets lost in a lot of traditional schools is how to occupy and dominate your opponent’s space. [/QUOTE]
Not really. It gets lost in the “Mcdojos” that claim to teach kung fu, not to mention in many of the Kung fu franchises that are basically money making operations.
The genuine Traditional Schools that I know teach the domination of the opponent’s space, together with the concept of NOT going back! Which seems to be a little strange to the “functional sparring” masters of today.
[QUOTE=MightyB;1129674]Control the space, control his balance, win the fight. I often say that mantis to be effective, has to fight in a two to three palm length distance (measuring from the base of the palm to the extended finger tips). Any further out and you better be good at kickboxing or TKD - and at that range, you need speed and luck because it’s 50/50 and I’m neither lucky or fast… [/QUOTE]
If Mantis is like any other TCMA, then it will be balanced as well. That means it will have provisions, and be able to fight short, medium and LONG range.
Even Wing Chun, that is regarded as a “short range” style has long range techniques on one hand and even ground techniques on the other, as a part of its traditional curriculum (I am not talking about McWing Chun or franchise Wing Chun either!).
[QUOTE=MightyB;1129674]anyway - like I said, I would have liked to see him protect his head a bit more, but that could just be his confidence in dealing with a reporter - but the video is a good example of space/balance domination using traditional techniques.[/QUOTE]
See, not a single Glorified Kickboxing technique! So, don’t buy the cr@p certain people constantly peddle nowadays to the uninititated. 
[QUOTE=SimonM;1129680]Agreed. It is very easy to look awesome when there is a massive skill variance between the parties sparring.
That’s why I’d have liked to see the wuseng spar somebody with some skill. He does clearly have skill, but featuring this isn’t any different than featuring any other expert of any other MA beating up a cable news-provided tomato can.[/QUOTE]
Well, perhaps we can send someone from this forum to spar with him? LOL!
[QUOTE=SimonM;1129680]You’ll note I didn’t specify which order of Buddhist monk.
I’ve got a thing about hitting pacifists, try not to do it regardless of their prowess.[/QUOTE]
Again, your instinct to survive and live another day, will overide your other reasons for not wanting to fight Buddhist monks. I am hoping…
[QUOTE=Hardwork108;1129683]
Again, your instinct to survive and live another day, will overide your other reasons for not wanting to fight Buddhist monks. I am hoping…:D[/QUOTE]
Actually, having met Shaolin monks, talked with them, and felt their strength when they performed tui na on me (long story) I’ve got to say two things:
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I have a great deal of respect for them. I really want to stress this because I’m trying very hard to explain to you the deficiencies in the clip without deriding the people involved, who I expect do have very real skills.
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I’d probably enjoy crossing hands with one, notwithstanding the pacifism thing.
Regardless of the difference in our skill level, I doubt I would have anything to fear from a Shaolin monk - one thing that I am confident, from personal experience, that they have is masterful self-control. I don’t expect a Shaolin monk would deliberately set out to cause me lasting harm in a friendly match.
Considering point 1, if I ever did have the privilege of sparring with a wuseng I can assure you the match would be friendly.
I would say the huge golf ball is a reference to the one guy pretty much just standing there half heartedly in range. I usually use the big, underhanded soft ball analogy myself.
With that said, that monk has skill and knowledge. Great closing technique. Great use of his whole body to control the other.
However, knocking around some guy just standing there is still quite aways from being competent against another skilled, confident player. Which he could be. I would love to see it. Though I understand he’s a monk… but that level of sparring (by both people) should take place at the end every single class. Or almost every class.
Not sparring should be the exception not the rule. And it shouldn’t take deep archive searches to produce something. Again, every Kung Fu player hear should be able to produce similar footage from their smart phone after tonight’s class.
When that happens. Kung Fu will resurrect itself.
You guys know this was for a documentary right?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1129694]You guys know this was for a documentary right?[/QUOTE]
obviously - seems to be a great example of “let the Wookie win”…
frankly, I don’t know of any TCMA teacher in my experience that taught u to fight w ur hands down at ur sides and leading w ur face when u enter an opponent’s range…
I mean, the guy has some ok skills, and he certainly does demonstrate some “classical” TCMA stuff, but it’s against a barely resisting partner, and it’s just another example of when u actually do apply a technique correctly, it looks like how someone from another system applies it;
i admire shi dejians and his students dedication and faith in buddhism, at least they semi spar unlike form king shi deyang
[QUOTE=taai gihk yahn;1129697]obviously - seems to be a great example of “let the Wookie win”…
frankly, I don’t know of any TCMA teacher in my experience that taught u to fight w ur hands down at ur sides and leading w ur face when u enter an opponent’s range…
I mean, the guy has some ok skills, and he certainly does demonstrate some “classical” TCMA stuff, but it’s against a barely resisting partner, and it’s just another example of when u actually do apply a technique correctly, it looks like how someone from another system applies it;[/QUOTE]
20 points for handling the correct correctly.
Nice piece of film, but not sparring so much as app demonstration and yes, there was much that was somewhat questionable, such as leaving the head so exposed and the hands down.
most shaolin people have that hands down problem. its a shame
actually most kung fu people have that problem
[QUOTE=bawang;1129706]most shaolin people have that hands down problem. its a shame
actually most kung fu people have that problem[/QUOTE]
Never learned that way.
Keep ya hands ep!
Keep ya hands ep!
Always an engarde stance.
I think this is a competitive wushu problem crossover.