Just curious if there is any video of pure kung-fu. Many people on here have told me that Kung-Fu is changed to compete for sport. Is there any video of REAL Kung-Fu fighting out there? Thanks!!
Look for Suntzu’s link to a buncha san shou bouts in quicktime. That’s the first place to check, I think.
I have watch San Shou but that is no REAL Kung-Fu according to many people on here…since it is sport. Hell, it looks just like Muay Thai mixed with Wrestling.
there are .wmv files of ch’ang, tung sheng giving a demo somewhere on the internet. i don’t have the links, but i’m sure someone here does.
TW, there is some stuff at emptyflower.com
Thanks, I have seen some videos from emptyflower.com but never looked there mysellf. I’ll see what I can find but if you could post some links to videos showing REAL Kung-Fu I would appreciate it.
TW, this has gone round and round before.
there isn’t anything out there showing “real” (whatever that is compared to ‘‘not-real’’) kung fu.
I hope to have some video from my bouts in the USJJ nationals this october. If I can point to anything in those that I feel stems from my kung fu training (21 years) as opposed to the 6 months of jujitsu training, then I’ll post them on my website.
movement is movement whether it’s ‘kung fu’ or ‘wrestling’ or ‘jujitsu’ or whatever. you can either fight well with it due to how hard you have trained it or you can’t.
fer example, we did a throw last night in jujitsu class that is in at least 3 of the forms I know from kung fu. One of them tai chi where it is called ‘slant flying’. the names don’t frikkin matter.
I don’t think you are trolling here but I do wish everyone would just shut the **** up about the differences and just train.
Have to agree with Oso.
What is REAL Kung Fu?
What is REAL wrestling?
etc
IMHO, people would be better MA if they stopped worrying so much about what is REAL and what is not.
Names and similar mean nothing, if you can pull the technique off succesfully than it was REAL.
Just my thoughts.
I’m interested in seeing Kung Fu outside of sport, since I many people have said that Kung Fu under restrictions isn’t REAL Kung Fu. Do you feel otherwise Oso.
Xebsball, I mean no disrespect when I say what follows: I looked at the majority of the videos on that site and they look like bull****.
in wich way?
wich clip more specificly you intend to coment at?
pick one, or ten
i dont have em downloaded on this puter, so id need to download again
Well, the very first one was one of the worst:
http://www.regifraga.hpg.ig.com.br/Xing_Yi_Combat_System/Clips1.wmv
1 - The guy could easily continue through wth the punch in my opinion. He has his body behind it while the other guy only has his arm to block. (edit: after watching in slow motion the attackers punch stops forward movement before the defenders block even reaches the attacking arm… i know i know, just a demo)
2 - Why does the attacker just bend over? Is he reacting to the defender’s hand movement towards him. Is the defender doing something I can’t see? How many times do you think they did this for it to look right?
That looks significantly less silly and fake than BJJ does to essentially everyone before they try it out for themselves.
In what respect Christopher? Did Royce Gracie taking down everyone and choking them out look silly to you? or was it him breaking arms that was silly? Get back to me on that, haha. Seriously though, please let me know what you mean.
Flying armbars look patently ridiculous. Flopping to guard from no contact and sitting there in wide open guard looks utterly silly. Hugging someone and flopping to guard looks just plain goofy.
That people made it work wasn’t the question. Whether or not it looked foreign and absurd to people unfamiliar with it was.
i dont know how many times they did
some of the videos were reharsed (spell?) applications, others werent
i wasnt there at the shooting, since they did it in Rio
from the clip i cant tell if he gets pulled down either, if he turns his head down its probably cos he expected that counter strike
though that ending strike would indeed have the effect of putting down the guy forcing him to bend
as for the continued punches, again i dunno if they combined it to be one punch on this clip or if he didnt have time to do others before the counter
but i think there was some other clip where he tried to throw more
there are many other clips? any more pertinent comments?
ill try to download em all again now (56k style)
It looked to me like the defender was no longer in the line of the attackers blow due to the defender’s shift to the right and turn (to be fair, it also looked like the punch was misaimed to start with.) As for the bend forward, it looked to me like the attacker was ducking the left palm counterattack.
You mean flying armbars that don’t work right? When they work they don’t look silly at all…they look down right painful.
Everything else I agree looks silly and is often frustrating as a fight fan to see when not used effectively… but it is some fighter’s strategy though to get the fight to the ground when they are lacking in other areas like striking or takedowns…or their opponent is vastly superior in those areas. Fighting from the back probably looks silly at first too right? I thought so too until Royce choked out Severn with a triangle. I was really impressed by Royce in the early UFCs… at the time, me being a wrestler in highschool, I thought it was great seeing a “wrestler” beat “martial artists”.
Chang,
i dont think it was misaimed, tried to measure it from looking, it would more like land on the nose (though not fully penetrating), thats why Marcello moved back
youre probably right about him ducking the second strike, like i said he probly felt it coming or already knew
on a second note here im not sure what Marcello was originaly demonstrating cos it could be 2 things (both them good):
a palm strike: to show how it would go trough the attacker (correct range for xing yi strikes)
a forearm strike: at the back of the head (ouch) - this one really makes people bend over
Originally posted by Xebsball
[B]i dont know how many times they did
some of the videos were reharsed (spell?) applications, others werent
i wasnt there at the shooting, since they did it in Rio
from the clip i cant tell if he gets pulled down either, if he turns his head down its probably cos he expected that counter strike
though that ending strike would indeed have the effect of putting down the guy forcing him to bend
as for the continued punches, again i dunno if they combined it to be one punch on this clip or if he didnt have time to do others before the counter
but i think there was some other clip where he tried to throw more
there are many other clips? any more pertinent comments?
ill try to download em all again now (56k style) [/B]
I downloaded almost all of them and didn’t find one that I thought was showing something useful. If you want to point one out that I might have missed please feel free to do so.