Hi all it’s been awhile since i posted and i’ve also been kind of lazy with training but that’s also because i’ve been very busy! my jiu jitsu teacher left the gym and so now i don’t have anyone teaching my grappling which stinks but at least now i can concentrate on making my muay thai better. But i just wanted to share with you all that i saw a kung fu fighter fight on tape for the first time recently. it was a san shou kickboxing match between a fighter from the san shou team of some kung fu school and a mixed martial arts fighter. The pace was very intense and at the start of the match the mma fighter came out strong and was dominating in the boxing and landing a lot of punches. he might’ve punched himself out a bit because he started slowing down and the kung fu guy defended well and didn’t take serious damage. then the kung fu guy went on the sudden offensive putting together some nice combos and doing good damage with a variety of kicks which he set up with punches. the mma guy was getting pounded for awhile! i think during the second round the mma guy woke up his kickboxing skills and so they started having a pretty even exchange with the kung fu guy having a slight edge in getting his shots in and showing better technique. After a bit of pure kickboxing the kung fu guy surprised his opponent with what seemed like a perfect judo type throw when they went to the clinch. later in the match the mma guy tried shooting in for some takedowns himself but didn’t get anything. But the kung fu guy pulled off at least a couple more excellent throws using judo type throws and a hard sweep off of a kick catch. the mma guy was tough but by the end he seemed pretty frustrated and although there was no knock out there was no questioning who won the fight. I was very impressed with the kung fu fighter. it was not what i expected a kung fu fight to be like. it actually seemed very similar to how we would fight in muay thai except they do a lot of throws and pull off a wider variety of kicks than your pure thai boxer would. but i think that balances out because real thai boxers use a lot of knees and elbows along with kicks. although i see similarites with thai boxing, judo and wrestling the overall strategy is very unique. i mentioned to the friend who showed me the tape that it kind of didn’t fit in with what the image of kung fu fighting most people have. i didn’t see anyone moving in various postures yelling “hai-ya!” or doing trapping techniques and karate chops. he simply told me that the actual chinese fighters use their own form of kickboxing combined with chinese wrestling throws. the guy i saw did do a couple cool kicks so that made me happy though Anyway i was impressed with what i saw and yeah i know that san shou fighting is not necessarily limited to kung fu techniques but the guy listed his style as kung fu and he was from a kung fu school so what more do you want? i think it would make things pretty interesting if you had more of these guys going to mma.
Anyway, i know what he means its like he wanted to do straight forward fighting with lots of sparring. And in kung fu most schools will taken more time to teach someone how to fight.
Sanshou is a format, if people fight with kickboxing style in there its their own fault.
Question - If i did Sanshou but used the eagle claw and locks would i be:
a) A kickboxer with some throwing and locking skills
b) A Sanshou guy
c) A kung fu guy because im using the seizing skills unique from eagle claw
d) A Jeet Kune Do guy
e) A mixed martial artist
It could never be REAL kung Fu. You think you can use Snake, Crane, or Dragon, with the boxing gloves on? Kung Fu low kicks are aimed at joints as they’re meant for breaking, not thigh muscles. Kung Fu techniques are meant for serious injury. Of course you cant do that for a sport or competition match. San Shou is Kung Fu kickboxing heh heh. Light on the deadly real techniques. Heavy on the standard muscle power type techniques and Shuai Jiao. Real martial arts, in their true form, can’t be part of any game. Come on man, dont be absurd. Once you try to turn survival into a sport, it really isn’t survival anymore.
A snake stylist wouldnt punch at your face, he’d strike at your throat. True karate doesn’t box, they use knife hand chops on necks and elbow sternums. etc etc. Crap like that should only and will only happen if people are fighting for real. In the street. Not for thousand dollar purses, and with cornermen,ring girls, massages during the breaks in fighting, etc etc etc.
San Shou, Kickboxing, MMA tournaments, etc etc are GAMES. Take the for what they are, nothing more. You think real fights last thirty minutes? Nope. Special rules for people like Royce? Nope.
Shinwa is correct. God forbid someone should think that they have the ability to strike the throat OR the face. And of course, everyone knows Kung Fu is nothing but a string of techniques that go together. Thank goodness we don’t have things like principles or strategy that can be applied to a non resisting opponent in a sporting atmosphere. :rolleyes:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>Light on the deadly real techniques[/quote]
Since when does a technique have to be deadly to be “real”? Who’s going to be better off in a street fight? A well conditioned, highly trained, athlete who hits people for a living; or someone who relies on “deadly” or cripling techniques which are imposible to test in modern society without a world of legal troubles?
Real or not, I wouldn’t want to be the mugger who jumps the winner of any of these “games”.
No no no. You’re misunderstanding me. I’m not dissing the sports, I love them all and have fought in versions of them all one time or another. Im saying that even if a snake stylist signs up for a San Shou event, you shouldn’t view him as a represenative of the entire system or somekind of measure of how Snake Style stylist really fight. Because these being sporting events no way in hell he can use his style. Thats not a knock, its an observation. I KNOW those techniques shouldn’t be used for sport, and Im glad sport techniques dont allow them.
Sometimes people see these events and comment that Kung Fu is crap because when they fight they fight like kickboxers. Im saying OF COURSE. It’s the Kung Fu equivalent of kickboxing. You apply certain lessons that you learn in traditional frames but you can’t apply traditional techniques for the most parts due to limitations.
I didnt say a technique had to be deadly to be real. :rolleyes: I’m saying they can’t use the true methods of their style because of the limitations that have to be placed on such a thing in sporting competetions/fighting outside of survival. But yes, the techniques in most martial arts are meant to do serious damage, not leave a little muscle soreness in the morning. Thats partly why initially they were taugh to so few (guards, princes and what have you). All I’m saying is , dont expect a Wing Chun fellow, yo use Wing Chun in a San Shou tournament. Dont expect an eagle claw stylist to strictly use eagle claw in tournament. Dont expect a monkey stylist to solely use monkey in a toiurnament. The rules prevent that ya know. Wing Chun with boxing gloves? get real. The most you can do is apply certain elements of your style to a kickboxing format.
So as bluntly as I can say it, dont judge a style by a sport because even though they’re hard, tough and take guts, all they are, are sports. totally different energy and psychology involved. Not saying they arent real fighters or anything man. geeze.
heh heh. Water Dragon thats exactly what I was saying. The sarcasm was misplaced bro. Here is a quote from my post:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size=“-1”>quote:</font><HR>San Shou is Kung Fu kickboxing heh heh. [/quote]
“I realized that I wasn’t having as much fun as I did when I started training in Kung Fu 2 years ago. I got bored and I wanted to learn how to fight.” - Marvin Perry
LOL
All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.
but at least now i can concentrate on making my muay thai better. But i just wanted to share with you all that i saw a kung fu fighter fight on tape for the first time recently. it was a san shou kickboxing match between a fighter from the san shou team of some kung fu school and a mixed martial arts fighter. The pace was very intense and at the start of the match the mma fighter came out strong and was dominating in the boxing and landing a lot of punches. he might’ve punched himself out a bit because he started slowing down and the kung fu guy defended well and didn’t take serious damage. then the kung fu guy went on the sudden offensive putting together some nice combos and doing good damage with a variety of kicks which he set up with punches. the mma guy was getting pounded for awhile! i think during the second round the mma guy woke up his kickboxing skills and so they started having a pretty even exchange with the kung fu guy having a slight edge in getting his shots in and showing better technique. After a bit of pure kickboxing the kung fu guy surprised his opponent with what seemed like a perfect judo type throw when they went to the clinch. later in the match the mma guy tried shooting in for some takedowns himself but didn’t get anything. But the kung fu guy pulled off at least a couple more excellent throws using judo type throws and a hard sweep off of a kick catch. the mma guy was tough but by the end he seemed pretty frustrated and although there was no knock out there was no questioning who won the fight. I was very impressed with the kung fu fighter. it was not what i expected a kung fu fight to be like. it actually seemed very similar to how we would fight in muay thai except they do a lot of throws and pull off a wider variety of kicks than your pure thai boxer would. but i think that balances out because real thai boxers use a lot of knees and elbows along with kicks. although i see similarites with thai boxing, judo and wrestling the overall strategy is very unique. i mentioned to the friend who showed me the tape that it kind of didn’t fit in with what the image of kung fu fighting most people have. i didn’t see anyone moving in various postures yelling “hai-ya!” or doing trapping techniques and karate chops. he simply told me that the actual chinese fighters use their own form of kickboxing combined with chinese wrestling throws. the guy i saw did do a couple cool kicks so that made me happy though 
Anyway i was impressed with what i saw and yeah i know that san shou fighting is not necessarily limited to kung fu techniques but the guy listed his style as kung fu and he was from a kung fu school so what more do you want? i think it would make things pretty interesting if you had more of these guys going to mma.