Originally posted by truewrestler
You mean flying armbars that don’t work right?
No, I mean flying armbars. They always look very complicated and very silly.
Yes, they do look painfull when they work; as would the move you’re commenting on in the movie.
how so not usefull? to teach you? or what?
the videos display chinese martial arts, not what you see in a typical san shou ring, or boxing, or muay thai
if you doubt our style to work in a real fighting situation then i invite you to let me know when youre in brazil, that fixes things very praticly
Originally posted by Oso
fer example, we did a throw last night in jujitsu class that is in at least 3 of the forms I know from kung fu. One of them tai chi where it is called ‘slant flying’. the names don’t frikkin matter.
And therein lies the difference. It may be the same technique, but at the same time, it’s not. One is done in forms. The other is done with a partner to develop kinesthenic awareness and is then utilized in sparring.
Xebsball, I understand your view. I agree that a palm strike to the side of the head would hurt but I don’t think blocking strikes in the way shown would work in a live situation.
This is EXACTLY the point of this thread. I want to see stuff like the techniques in these videos in a LIVE situation of some kind. I have never seen this in a San Shou bout or anywhere for that matter.
Now I think you know exactly what I’m looking for… know where I can find it?
I’m interested in seeing Kung Fu outside of sport, since I many people have said that Kung Fu under restrictions isn’t REAL Kung Fu. Do you feel otherwise Oso.
dude, I dropped out of debating that subject months ago. I do what I do and feel confident about it.
if you, and everyone else, feels confident about what you do than that’s great.
ah i hear you
you want to see it applied at full power on a sparring or fighting situation
i myself dont have any video of that, though yes i know some who have, but im not sure if they’re sharing, so you gotta give me some time to find out
still, let me knwo if you ever come to brazil
complementing the previous, yet, when we fight we use our xing yi stuff, all those punches, palms, kicks, etc - we apply the stuff that we train, you dont see us holding a boxing guard bouncing and throwing jab/jab/cross or whatever
truewrestler.
To see KF used in a real life situation you either need to be there or if you are lucky get hold of some tapes that come from surveillance systems.
Problem with surveillance stuff is bad quality, no info on participants and often bad angles.
Anything else will always be open to interpretation or critique about rules, location, etc.
BTW, many of those so called surveilance videos on the Net are staged and arranged stuff too.
Cheers.
Xebsball, if I get back into BJJ seriously there is a chance I may go to Brazil before I die 
“And therein lies the difference. It may be the same technique, but at the same time, it’s not. One is done in forms. The other is done with a partner to develop kinesthenic awareness and is then utilized in sparring.”
Form is uttalised to understand yourself and your own power generation and posture.
Drilling Sparring are done so as to understand the other person, your adversary.
Two halfs of a compleate package.
All im trying to get accross is that in my personal experience and training you learn a move in a form first so that you understand how it works and how it can be flowed in and out of.
Then you start to learn to apply with a partner at various levels of resistance untill you can apply the move when required under preasure.
If your comment is that only training in forms will make you an incompetant fighting then i agree with you totaly.
Still i cant help thinking your comment is just a misconception based off your own personal opinion of how you think the average chinese martial arts class trains.
That’s cool Oso… I used to rollerblade 
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And therein lies the difference. It may be the same technique, but at the same time, it’s not. One is done in forms. The other is done with a partner to develop kinesthenic awareness and is then utilized in sparring.
you make the assumption that i never trained that throw in any manner but the forms.
there is no ****ing difference as long as you train.
the advantage I had last night is that I knew this move from at least 3 different perspectives (tan tui, pm and tai chi) and had trained it live before. all I gained last night was a fourth perspective and more live training.
truewrestler - just like with BJJ, touching hands is worth 1000 words at least, or 1000 mpegs for that matter. If you posted where you were, someone could probably suggest a decent CMA school nearby with open mat time.
Asking for a video of something done NHB style, which is nonetheless not part of a planned competition, which looks foreign to you, yet which simultaneously looks like the things you presently like… is really not likely to turn out successfull.
Northern Virginia…?
TW, I get to Richmond a couple times a year. I’ll give you a shout next time. I was just up there and tried to get up with some of the DC guys but everyone was apparently tied up over the 4th of July weekend.
I’ll willingly roll or standup or both.
Oh, sorry… didn’t know you were in the middle of nowhere.
Just kidding… the closest people I know to you who’d be up for it are in New York, but maybe someone who knows your area will post.
Asking for a video of something done NHB style, which is nonetheless not part of a planned competition, which looks foreign to you, yet which simultaneously looks like the things you presently like… is really not likely to turn out successfull.
I think you are just BSing. If someone showed you a video of Cung Le (or insert someone you know/respect) being taken down and choked out in an MMA competition you would really just think submissions are silly right? I hope not or something is wrong
“didn’t know you were in the middle of nowhere”
DC/Baltimore area
Originally posted by truewrestler
If someone showed you a video of Cung Le (or insert someone you know/respect) being taken down and choked out in an MMA competition you would really just think submissions are silly right?
Sorry; I don’t understand. I don’t think submissions are silly, if that’s what you’re asking.
That would be great Oso.
We should definitely have a get together or something in the future.