“Sorry; I don’t understand. I don’t think submissions are silly, if that’s what you’re asking.”
Ok, someone does a flying ****ing armbar (you said they look silly right?) on Cung Le and breaks his ****ing arm
good enough then. we can debate with sweat.
g’night folks
later man
Yes, they do look silly. They look highly improbable, highly committed, highly technical, requiring of a very peculiar posture, and generally everything else that people use as ‘rules of thumb’ for techniques that won’t work. However, I didn’t say I thought they didn’t work (let alone that chokes didn’t work, or subs in general didn’t work); I was juxtaposing a very dubious technique which I suspected you felt was realistic, since you had personal experience with it… with a very simple technique which you felt was dubious (since you don’t have any experience with it?).
So what you are telling me is that you can’t show me a video with any of the techniques that are shown in the videos on that site posted? If so, oh well… I asked
Originally posted by truewrestler
So what you are telling me is that you can’t show me a video with any of the techniques that are shown in the videos on that site posted? If so, oh well…
How many videos can you show me of BJJ or wrestling being used in a REAL situation.
I define REAL as a REAL random attack in the street, pub or similar location.
What is YOUR definition of REAL??
Originally posted by truewrestler
So what you are telling me is that you can’t show me a video with any of the techniques that are shown in the videos on that site posted?
blah blah blah
show me any video against a resisting opponent… sport, bar, strip club… I don’t give a crap where as long as it shows REAL Kung Fu.
Chistopher, Please use words
Laughing Cow… I didn’t even use the word REAL in that quote.
Just couldn’t make sense of the question: “So you can’t show me any videos of those videos?”
Originally posted by truewrestler
Laughing Cow… I didn’t even use the word REAL in that quote.
Maybe not in that quote, but in the thread title and many other posts here.
QUOTE] show me any video against a resisting opponent… sport, bar, strip club… I don’t give a crap where as long as it shows REAL Kung Fu.[/QUOTE]
If you want to see KF against a resisting opponent, go to any kwoon that does full contact free-form sparring and take your Camera along.
BTW, even if we showed you such a video I would doubt that you would be satisified, but will rather be nitpicking things that you see as wrong.
So what’s the point??
come on Chris, I’m looking for a fight using techniques like those shown in the video clips on the site Xebsball posted
THANKS FOR YOUR HELP!!
BTW, even if we showed you such a video I would doubt that you would be satisified, but will rather be nitpicking things that you see as wrong.
Wow, that was an easy way out… or was that your only way out?
Do these kwoons ever record video of sparring? I have seen a lot of Kung Fu sparring online and it always seems to look just like San Shou.
An arm drag leading to a punch in the head? You’ve never seen that?
sure… if you could post the fight video and the technique video that would be awesome!
Originally posted by truewrestler
Wow, that was an easy way out… or was that your only way out?
Whichever one YOU choose.
Do these kwoons ever record video of sparring? I have seen a lot of Kung Fu sparring online and it always seems to look just like San Shou.
Some I think do so that their students can watch them and learn from them.
Don’t know if they are kept or made available to the public though.
Will vary from kwoon to kwoon I expect.
In my style we practice something called “San shou” it means “Sparring Hands” and is one level up from “Push Hands/Tui Shou”.
Seeya round.
http://www.energyarts.com/hires/indexed.html
Click ‘Bagua’ on the menu on the left hand side, then ‘fighting’ on the menu on the top. Then just click on the pic for the video.
BK Francis using Baguazhang in a demonstration.
Its fairly obviously a bit hammed up for demonstration purposes but you can still get a feel for the way he uses the art.
Im not putting this up saying this is ‘true’ combat or anything else it is what it is and i think it fits the bill for what you asked for.
Flame away:D
http://www.energyarts.com/hires/bagua/fighting/pkfight.mov
Thanks Jon. I would like to hear others opinions of this before I add mine 
because I’m going to bed
Truewrestler, you’ve set it up so we can’t win.
On the one hand, you want it to be “REAL kung fu, not sport, not san shou.”
On the other hand, you want it to be live against a fully resisting opponent. You’re only going to get that when people are practicing in a sport-like situation, because practicing live against a fully resisting opponent is the defining characteristic of that situation.
Therefore, the tacit presumption is that “REAL kung fu” doesn’t go live against a fully resisting opponent, and you can dismiss anything that does as just “kickboxing mixed with wrestling.”
Nice troll, dude, but you’re found out.
http://evolutionary-systems.com
Master Su Dong-Chen is someone i really admire as well.
Some of the clips on this site are very good for showcasing some of the strong points and uses of Internal arts.
Again there meant to be for demonstration just to get a feel for how the systems work there not meant to be ‘fight’ clips.