[QUOTE=HardWork8;887813]Because the dan tien method is part of traditional kung fu (and karate) training and if one doesn’t follow the tradition and goes for the easier option, then he is taking short cut.
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I’m not concerned with someone thinking I’m taking a ‘short cut’ through the forest.
I want results. Fast. There’s enough wasting of people’s time in martial arts with a bunch of crap that no one needs or uses. If someone is coming to me to learn some self-defense that’s what their getting. NO BS. No Chi Kung or Volleyball in the middle of a training session.
If they want the other stuff…go train elsewhere. I want to train with the fanatics who want to make their combat skills solid - therefore pushing the envelope on me.
[QUOTE=anerlich;887870]Do some research, lazy boy. I have.[/quote]
And your research told you that the Russian breathing methods are every bit as sophisticated as the Chinese ones. How often do you practice these methods? I bet never because they don’t always involve hitting the punch bag.
Your “expectations” are way above your head.
When you learn to write, then I will learn to read.:rolleyes:
Here we go again, it is Glorified Kickboxers Unite time again.LOL!
As far as people like you are concerned, my thinking about kung fu is the right way as it involves training kung fu the way it was designed to be trained and not what is convenient for me. So maybe you should change the parameters of your martial “research”.
Go and practice your sophisticated Russian breathing.:rolleyes:
The cool thing about this is that Sanjuro actually reads books.
If you are reading this Sanjuro, I am impressed, very impressed.
[QUOTE=couch;887920]I’m not concerned with someone thinking I’m taking a ‘short cut’ through the forest.[/quote]
It is irrelevant what anyone else thinks about your training, but the fact is that you are taking a short cut.
Believe me when anyone asks me to recommend a martial art for fast results then I recommend them to practice kickboxing (also boxing and even BJJ).
And that is where you are wrong. There is good reason for the existance of the internals inside kung fu and for some of it to have been kept secret from common practitioners.
I assure you that the people who designed and evolved these styles didn’t say “hey, we have a great fighting system here, so lets put some ‘crap’ inside that doesn’t work and no one uses, so that we can balance the Ying with the Yang”.
What I mean is that internal training has combat relevance, that is high level combat relevance. It is just question of how far you want to go in your kung fu journey and of course the all important question of who is teaching you.
In that case perhaps you could call your classes self-defense classes with Wing Chun/kung fu influences rather than Wing Chun classes. It will be more accurate and honest.
I believe that any real kung fu student, sifu or master who has taken the time to fully understand his art holistically or is intending to, will find your comment above very offensive and ignorant.
Unfortunately for the majority of serious aspirants there aren’t many “elsewheres” around, I mean real kung fu schools.
The KUNG FU fanatics that I know want to train the art holistically to get the maximum combat (and other) benefits that the arts have to offer. Or were you talking about the self defense - or maybe the kickboxing fanatics?
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;887871]Dude, don’t waste your time with him.[/quote]
Of course he shouldn’t “waste” his time with me. The last time you did that with me I exposed your dishonesty based on your own lies about my person (and you have been laying low in relation to me, since then) and showed you for being nothing more than a crosstraining kickboxer who could probably hardly spell kung fu, let alone give advice on its training methods. It is all there in the relevant threads.
Anyway, you have come a long way since then as it seems that you have apparently mastered enough attencion span to read books…So there is hope for you yet!
So perhaps you can attempt to add to the discussion in this thread if it is not too much to ask?
I won’t. He seems to live in a reverse intellectual black hole, where no new information gets in past the reverse event horizon, but a constant shower of rubbish is expelled.
Funny thing is…in the Iron Palm practice of my lineage…we do dantien breathing during our striking sets and again afterwards while executing the SLT form so the breathing is reinforced into the basic movements and structure of the style(SLT). The feedback I have got from fellow students is profound. I feel like I am only striking with the same control and intensity that I have always used in class settings for the other students safety. But, several of the students I ‘touch hands’ with have been commenting (after only 4 months of the IP training) that my hands are a heluva lot heavier in my striking than they were before. This is due to IP training AND Chi Kung breathing. Ive had to be even more careful in my training because of this.
Also in our WC the feet follow the hands, the hands strike and release energy with the breath. So our breathing catalyzes our whole body’s energy from the ground up. Ours is a Yip Man lineage. Sifu Ali was taught this same method.
Man I really look foreword into reading every last one of your posts… They’re way off, and I will not compare them to a saying that deals with the human anatomy or phase, that says; “Everybody got one”…
[QUOTE=anerlich;887839]But, but … you teach both WC and boxing. How can you do that with a straight face if you believe that statement? Come on.
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You cant be serious, I’ve never mix the two arts or tech them together, because I truly understand the difference between them both…
With me, it’s either wing chun or boxing, but never together, and if you can bring poof of my mixing the arts, please do so, I have well over a 100 clips to choose from
[QUOTE=anerlich;887839]But, but … you teach both WC and boxing. How can you do that with a straight face if you believe that statement? Come on.
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You cant be serious, I’ve never mix the two arts or teach them together, because I truly understand the difference between them both…
With me, it’s either wing chun or boxing, but never together, and if you can bring poof of my mixing the arts, please do so, I have well over a 100 clips to choose from
I look foreword in reading every last one of your post, They got it all wrong, and I will not compare them to a saying that deals with the human anatomy or phase that says; “everybody got one”
[QUOTE=anerlich;887839]But, but … you teach both WC and boxing. How can you do that with a straight face if you believe that statement? Come on.[/QUOTE]
You cant be serious, I’ve never mix the two arts or tech them together, because I truly understand the difference between them both…
With me, it’s either wing chun or boxing, but never together, and if you can bring poof of my mixing the arts, please do so, I have well over a 100 clips to choose from.
[QUOTE=anerlich;887839]But, but … you teach both WC and boxing. How can you do that with a straight face if you believe that statement? Come on.[/QUOTE]
That’s right But, But…
You cant be serious, Ive never mix the two arts or teach them together, because I truly understand the difference between them both
With me, its either wing chun or boxing, but never together, and if you can bring poof of my mixing the arts, please do so, I have well over a 100 clips to choose from.
[QUOTE=Graychuan;888122]Funny thing is…in the Iron Palm practice of my lineage…we do dantien breathing during our striking sets and again afterwards while executing the SLT form so the breathing is reinforced into the basic movements and structure of the style(SLT).[/quote]
The same with us. The dan tien breathing is part and parcel of our Wing Chun and from my understanding these exercises and their many variations are part and parcel of all authentic kung fu styles.
I know what you are talking about. I have been hit by IP hands and the only thing I can say is OUCH!:eek:
The strikes go through to the inside and outside muscle mass does not seem to stop the the force going through, hence the need for other exercises to protect the body against such strikes.
As far as I am concerned, there is no IP training without chi kung, just like there is no kung fu training without the chi-kung.
We use the same principle.
Sounds like good kung fu to me.
Well that is going to be en eye opener for some of the Yip Man lineage people here whose sifus did not bother to teach them the chi kung aspects of this art.:eek:
I am great and I hope that you are well. Finally I came back from my vacations and I am preparing to leave London for warmer climates. Meanwhile I am trying to enlighten some of this forum’s kickboxers to the intricacies of real kung fu and boy it ain’t easy, because nothing seems to be going through to them.
Some of them may not know anything about Iron Palm but they sure seem to have mastered the enchant art of Iron Skull
[QUOTE=Ali. R;888144]I look foreword in reading every last one of your post, They got it all wrong, and I will not compare them to a saying that deals with the human anatomy or phase that says; everybody got one
Ali Rahim.[/QUOTE]
Thanks Sifu Ali. Reading Graychuan’s post it is becoming apparent that your school and ours share quite a few similarities.
I read some of these people’s posts and I just laugh(and I do, believe me). They have no idea about what real kung fu training entails and unfortunately they are in the majority.
This reflects the sad state of kung fu nowadays but the fact that they only see things through their Western tinted glasses turns a bad situation into a hopeless one!
They see concepts that they don’t understand as mumbo jambo.
They try short cuts at every opportunity and one of the first things that one has to know about real kung fu training is that THERE ARE NO SHORT CUTS!
They don’t know that the internals are PART AND PARCEL of kung fu training.
Many of them don’t appreciate that forms are PART AND PARCEL of kung fu training.
And the sad part is that there are many of them who SELL what they teach as kung fu, while what they are doing is selling kung fu flavored kickboxing or self defense methods and to add insult to injury many of them describe what they sell as “functional”, “practical”,“improved”,“street effective” , meaning better kung fu.
Lets hope that some of them wake up or at least I hope that newbies who are interested in learning REAL kung fu don’t fall into the trap of taking these people’s “kung fu” seriously.
[QUOTE=HardWork8;888154]I read some of these people’s posts and I just laugh (and I do, believe me) they have no idea about what real kung fu training entails and unfortunately they are in the majority. .[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you got that right… It seems to me that; the more they speak the more it reminds me of ‘Homer Simpson’ falling down a cliff while hitting every rock, branch and shrubbery alone the way, and at the same time escalating their true kung fu understanding to a major halt…
I’m getting more laughs to the equivalent of a bomb, kind da like an explosion of an unmanned firework factor…
[QUOTE=HardWork8;888154]I read some of these people’s posts and I just laugh (and I do, believe me) they have no idea about what real kung fu training entails and unfortunately they are in the majority. .[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you got that right It seems to me that; the more they speak the more it reminds me of Homer Simpson falling down a cliff while hitting every rock, branch and shrubbery alone the way, and at the same time escalating their true kung fu understanding to a major halt
Im getting more laughs to the equivalent of a bomb, kind da like an explosion of an unmanned firework factory
Originally Posted by HardWork8
I read some of these people’s posts and I just laugh (and I do, believe me) they have no idea about what real kung fu training entails and unfortunately they are in the majority. .
Yeah, you got that right… It seems to me that; the more they speak the more it reminds me of ‘Homer Simpson’ falling down a cliff while hitting every rock, branch and shrubbery alone the way, and at the same time escalating their true kung fu understanding to a major halt…
I’m getting more laughs to the equivalent of a bomb, kind da like an explosion of an unmanned firework factory…
[QUOTE=HardWork8;888154] Originally Posted by HardWork8
I read some of these people’s posts and I just laugh (and I do, believe me) they have no idea about what real kung fu training entails and unfortunately they are in the majority.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you got that right… It seems to me that; the more they speak the more it reminds me of ‘Homer Simpson’ falling down a cliff while hitting every rock, branch and shrubbery alone the way, and at the same time escalating their true kung fu understanding to a major halt…
I’m getting more laughs to the equivalent of a bomb, kind da like an explosion of an unmanned firework factory…
