http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jB3eW0hfy0U&feature=related
You can find the other clips on the side bar on youtube, he even has a 10 min clip on ground work :eek:
Emin…his massive ego aside, he can put on a good show.
Watching at school…no sound. Looks like the same ol’ stuff about the centerline theory for the first ones. I skipped to the last couple of them; and there’s Interesting thoughts on ground fighting and how the would-be opponent would react. It looks pretty much like Emin is using what works best for HIM and his natural attributes.
The only thing I don’t like, is that it seems as if (and again, I can’t hear the sound) he’s promoting a catch-all technique for everything. The only thing is, look at his body structure and the techniques he’s using. They may work well for him, against THAT guy, but what would happen when a guy that’s 5’4" and has a short 50" reach tries to use the catch all method against a 6’4" 260lb’er. The end results probably wouldn’t be the same.
[QUOTE=Vankuen;853845]Watching at school…no sound. Looks like the same ol’ stuff about the centerline theory for the first ones. I skipped to the last couple of them; and there’s Interesting thoughts on ground fighting and how the would-be opponent would react. It looks pretty much like Emin is using what works best for HIM and his natural attributes.
The only thing I don’t like, is that it seems as if (and again, I can’t hear the sound) he’s promoting a catch-all technique for everything. The only thing is, look at his body structure and the techniques he’s using. They may work well for him, against THAT guy, but what would happen when a guy that’s 5’4" and has a short 50" reach tries to use the catch all method against a 6’4" 260lb’er. The end results probably wouldn’t be the same.[/QUOTE]
There is an interesting clip in the DBMA website for members that shows the reality of size even in a stick fighting environment, two words: Bulled Over.
Does anyone know in which country this seminar was held?
I would venture to say America.
[QUOTE=HardWork8;854211]Does anyone know in which country this seminar was held?[/QUOTE]
I downloaded the whole series a few years ago, the footage is not really from a Emin seminar, it was at a WT function in the UK, I think it was back in 99’ or somewhere around then. A whole bunch of the top guys in the WT world were there, including LT and Keith K, they all demo’d something to the people that were present.
James
I thought I saw Keith Kernspecht sitting on a chair on the right.
Yeah it was a good seminar. Emin is a dangerous fighter. What bugs me is why do most of his students suck so much? I met a guy who had over a decade under him and he couldn’t punch his way out of a paper bag, a pityful pathetic example of martial arts. I think it’s the teaching by seminar once a year method. If you actually studied in a school under Emin’s close supervision he might be able to impart his skills.
I also wondered how much of his ability is due to his tremendous physique and how much is actually WT. Would this stuff work for an 100 pound woman or small man against a 200 pound enraged attacker, the way it is advertised in WT?
[QUOTE=sihing;854224]I downloaded the whole series a few years ago, the footage is not really from a Emin seminar, it was at a WT function in the UK, I think it was back in 99’ or somewhere around then. A whole bunch of the top guys in the WT world were there, including LT and Keith K, they all demo’d something to the people that were present.
James[/QUOTE]
Thanks James. I didn’t even realize that this event happened before Emin parted ways with Leung Ting.
I have never ever kept a close eye on the WT people. However, the videos(the first 3 parts that I have seen) were quiet interesting.
I’ll be watching the rest later on today.
[QUOTE=sihing;854224]I downloaded the whole series a few years ago, the footage is not really from a Emin seminar, it was at a WT function in the UK, I think it was back in 99’ or somewhere around then. A whole bunch of the top guys in the WT world were there, including LT and Keith K, they all demo’d something to the people that were present.
James[/QUOTE]
Thanks James. I didn’t even realise that this event happened before Emin parted ways with Leung Ting.
I have never ever kept a close eye on the WT people. However, the first 3 parts of the videos were quiet interesting. I’ll be watching the rest later on today.
[QUOTE=tigerclaw777;854237]
I also wondered how much of his ability is due to his tremendous physique and how much is actually WT. Would this stuff work for an 100 pound woman or small man against a 200 pound enraged attacker, the way it is advertised in WT?[/QUOTE]
A tremendous physique will always play a part, but from a kung fu point of view it is also about timing and strategy. Having said that, one can never overstate the importance of (striking) power training - and I am not talking about heavy weightlifting - so that when one does strike the 200 pound attacker, he doesn’t just stand there and smile at him.
Kung Fu power comes through resistance exercises as opposed to heavy weight lifting/pumping; the development of body unity; Iron Palm and Chi Kung (that contributes to the “relaxed power”).
So, no matter how agile and knowledgable one is if he lacks enough striking power, then he will most likely lose against a stronger adversary who can take the hits and return fire.
Kung Fu power comes through resistance exercises as opposed to heavy weight lifting/pumping; the development of body unity; Iron Palm and Chi Kung (that contributes to the “relaxed power”).
Just so that you know, heavy weight lifting and pumping weights are NOT the same thing.
Matter of fact, heavy weight lifting doesn’t give you a pump at all, and by heavy I mean what is referred to as heavy - 90% max and above.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;854296]Just so that you know, heavy weight lifting and pumping weights are NOT the same thing.
Matter of fact, heavy weight lifting doesn’t give you a pump at all, and by heavy I mean what is referred to as heavy - 90% max and above.[/QUOTE]
Then make that weight lifting and/or pumping.
[QUOTE=HardWork8;854291]Kung Fu power comes through resistance exercises as opposed to heavy weight lifting/pumping; the development of body unity…[/QUOTE]While I agree with the rest of your post, about timing, strategy, practising punches etc, just thought I’d chime in to tell you: heavy weight lifting is resistance training.
Plus, deadlifting and squatting say, even only one-and-a-half times your bodyweight a helluva lot for development of body unity. As for body unity under pressure and against resistance, deading and squatting for strength will do way more for you than any number of air punches, or pulled punches in chi sao.
After I started weights, my wing chun became a lot better. I was even less inclined to force techniques, to meet force with force, because I didn’t need to.
To sum up:
Every physical human activity is easier if you lift.
As for Boztepe’s ability, I can’t comment. It would be interesting to cross hands with him, as with so many other people.
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;854334]After I started weights, my wing chun became a lot better. I was even less inclined to force techniques, to meet force with force, because I didn’t need to.[/QUOTE]Very interested in this. Can you describe a bit more about the qualitative differences in your expression of the techniques?
Best wishes,
Chee.
[QUOTE=Mr Punch;854334]While I agree with the rest of your post, about timing, strategy, practising punches etc, just thought I’d chime in to tell you: heavy weight lifting is resistance training.[/quote]
By the same token, I can say that lifting the piano is resistance training. Maybe I should clarify and say the resistance training should minimalize muscle mass. Heavy muscle mass goes against many of the internal principles of Wing Chun and kung fu in general.
The object is to develop body unity without isolating the muscles too much and without creating a more than necessary muscle mass. I suppose that your approach to Wing Chun is more of an external approach.
You can exercise your resistance by variations of chin-ups that would serve the purposes of Wing Chun better than Weight training - internally speaking that is.
The object is to develop body unity without isolating the muscles too much and without creating a more than necessary muscle mass. I suppose that your approach to Wing Chun is more of an external approach.
You can exercise your resistance by variations of chin-ups that would serve the purposes of Wing Chun better than Weight training - internally speaking that is.
Ok then.
Since you were replying to a post that mentioned deadlifting and squatting I think you should know that they are the furthest things from “isolating mucles” that one person can do, they are compound exercises that work the WHOLE body and its many path ways, pretty much every strength trainer know this.
ST does NOT build muscle mass UNLESS you eat in a way that makes gaining mass your goal.
Again, something that any Strength Trainer knows.
As for chins, unless you are only doing low reps of chins because you are too “weak” to do more or perhaps have added weight because you are too strong, you would typically be doing reps in the 10+ range, ie: pumping your muscles, the very thing you said you are against.
You don’t seem to know very much about strength training.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;854393]Ok then.
Since you were replying too a post that mentioned deadlifting and squatting I think you should know that they are the furthest things from “isolating mucles” that one person can do, they are compound exercises that work the WHOLE body and its many path ways, pretty much every strength trainer know this.[/quote]
The fact is that even that approach is to “external” for Wing Chun, or at least the lineage that I practice. We are ever supposed to limit the number of push ups or even eliminate them in favor of chin ups.
There are also other exercises such as “animal walking”, eg. tiger, lizard etc.
Unfortunately for a lot of MA people gaining muscle mass is the goal, “it looks good” you know.
That is interesting, because after years of doing this I do not have large or “pumped” muscles. Neither does sifu.
So, it is back to the drawing board for you.
Or maybe it is the way that you do your chin ups, who knows.
You seem to know very little about Wing Chun, but hey you seem to be in good company.
[QUOTE=HardWork8;854410]The fact is that even that approach is to “external” for Wing Chun, or at least the lineage that I practice. We are ever supposed to limit the number of push ups or even eliminate them in favor of chin ups.
There are also other exercises such as “animal walking”, eg. tiger, lizard etc.
Unfortunately for a lot of MA people gaining muscle mass is the goal, “it looks good” you know.
That is interesting, because after years of doing this I do not have large or “pumped” muscles. Neither does sifu.
So, it is back to the drawing board for you.
Or maybe it is the way that you do your chin ups, who knows.
You seem to know very little about Wing Chun, but hey you seem to be in good company.[/QUOTE]
shakes head
I don’t know what is worse, the fact that you don’t know, or the fact that you don’t know that you don’t know, or the fact that you THINK you know.
Either way, not gonna waste my time.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;854418]shakes head
I don’t know what is worse, the fact that you don’t know, or the fact that you don’t know that you don’t know, or the fact that you THINK you know.
Either way, not gonna waste my time.[/QUOTE]
I have just explained the approach taken in the WC school in which I practice. If you can’t address the point that I made about not having large of pumped up muscles inspite of training the chin ups for years then don’t. Obviously, there are things that you know nothing about, not only as regards kung fu but also regarding strengh/resistance training AS RELATED TO KUNG FU.
I believe that you are the one wasting my time. Obvioulsly you don’t practice Wing Chun in a serious way. It may be part of a mish mash of martial arts that you practice, but then again, you are in good company.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;854418]shakes head
I don’t know what is worse, the fact that you don’t know, or the fact that you don’t know that you don’t know, or the fact that you THINK you know.
Either way, not gonna waste my time.[/QUOTE]
Dude, what are you doing here in the shudder wing chun section.
there is absolutely no reasoning with “these people”.
