why do you think its better? better than which?
Guy definitely likes to strike a pose.
lol
Here’s one I like because it was completely random with control. But then again they’re both my students. 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYFiNNXTD4Q
dont like him
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;883424]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=kVzij7qSY_A[/QUOTE]
he is a poser in this clip
[QUOTE=kung fu fighter;883424] one of the better wing chun clips on youtube [/QUOTE]
In your opinion why ? Just out of curiousity
I think its ok, but nothing special. I prefer to see more mixing it up from both participants in a Gor Sau style way…free chi sau.
This just seems to be one guy showing some techs with a compliant partner :o
No denying its better than a hell of a lot of related clips on youtube though…
As far as my impression of skill and ability of them being able to translate it to fighting, i prefer the clips Phil Put up, its more spontaneous and competing milling, aka Sticky hands training 
Solely my opinion mind you
EDIT - ok i saw the other half of the clip my computer is slow today…and yeah some good stuff more spontaneous after the two in black go at it…
I like that part…
DREW
Their bong sao/lop sao looks very rigid. I like the intensity he puts into his punches, but he seems to focus more on the toppings - what happens after you create the opening - rather than creating the openings themselves.
I’m not against Chi sao “demos”. They’re nice to see once and a while. But it’s not hard to look good with a cooperating partner. I prefer watching clips where both people are trying to pull something off. There’s nothing wrong with getting tagged by your chi sao partner. You learn to close your openings. That way and you stay sharp.
Some “random” chi sao clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmW46ACmsms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjfMC8k5m7I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZj1DIglZRU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2WEYWgRffo
even this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2MoKLIMuk
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;884955]I’m not against Chi sao “demos”. They’re nice to see once and a while. But it’s not hard to look good with a cooperating partner. I prefer watching clips where both people are trying to pull something off. There’s nothing wrong with getting tagged by you chi sao partner. You learn to close your openings. That way and you stay sharp.
Some “random” chi sao clips:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DmW46ACmsms
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjfMC8k5m7I&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZj1DIglZRU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2WEYWgRffo
even this one:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qt2MoKLIMuk[/QUOTE]
That first clip was excellent Phil.
The rest were pretty good too.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;884958]That first clip was excellent Phil.
The rest were pretty good too.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I like that one too. btw, I didn’t see you in TO. 
[QUOTE=Liddel;884784]In your opinion why ? Just out of curiousity
DREW[/QUOTE]
Of coarse it was just a cooperative demo, but I liked the crisp clean direct flavor in the way he applied his wing chun instead of flailing hands that is normally seen as wing chun.
Thats a fair call… id expect those elbows to be good and solid if he threw them for real with a bit of agro behind them..:eek:
Pie Jarn can hurt but i love Karp Jarn even more as my own habbit action is heavier and sharper for Karp !
I love elbows, which is why Pat Smith was one of my favorite fighters in the early days of UFC…lol
As far as good clips on the net for me they have to be spontaneous and competitive like the one Ronin commented on that phil posted…
Id like to see more of that same guy in your clip doing more free style stuff…
any other clips you’ve got…?
DREW
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;885033]Yeah, I like that one too. btw, I didn’t see you in TO. [/QUOTE]
I was in China ( Beijing) and in Taiwan and Macao in August, September was catching up to reality month for me.
Sorry, but I couldn’t say no to the opportunity to go to the Olympics and then to visit old friends.
He’s certainly big and fast, but I thought he looked pretty rigid in that first video too. Isn’t Gary Lam his teacher? His hands are at the other end of the scale, much softer.
He’s a pretty cool dude. Trained a bit with him when he was here in LA visiting Sifu Lam’s. Most people who lift heavy weights a lot end up looking a bit rigid.
[QUOTE=Chuan fa;885234]He’s a pretty cool dude. Trained a bit with him when he was here in LA visiting Sifu Lam’s. Most people who lift heavy weights a lot end up looking a bit rigid.[/QUOTE]
That emphasises the need to apply caution when supplementing kung fu practice with weight training.
He also exhales like a boxer (or dare I say a kickboxer ;)) rather than a kung fu man.
All together this looks like a very external Wing Chun. However as this guy is a Gary Lam student then most probably he can fight.
[QUOTE=HardWork8;885533]That emphasises the need to apply caution when supplementing kung fu practice with weight training.
He also exhales like a boxer (or dare I say a kickboxer ;)) rather than a kung fu man.
All together this looks like a very external Wing Chun. However as this guy is a Gary Lam student then most probably he can fight.[/QUOTE]
Kung Fu people exhale as well depending on the style. Many are similar to boxers.
[QUOTE=Phil Redmond;887549]Kung Fu people exhale as well depending on the style. Many are similar to boxers.[/QUOTE]
We NEVER exhale like boxers in our Wing Chun training. The way we do it is very deep (from the dan-tien) and it is very subtle and uses a different “mechanism” to upper body breathing.
In some kung fu styles you may hear the exhalation(eg. some Tiger styles) but again the breath will originate in the dan-tien, reflecting in part, the internal (and quite often forgotten) side of all kung fu training.
Having said that, if we are talking about “Modern Kung Fu”, then I suppose that it is a case of anything goes.:eek:
[QUOTE=HardWork8;887563]We NEVER exhale like boxers in our Wing Chun training. The way we do it is very deep (from the dan-tien) and it is very subtle and uses a different “mechanism” to upper body breathing.
In some kung fu styles you may hear the exhalation(eg. some Tiger styles) but again the breath will originate in the dan-tien, reflecting in part, the internal (and quite often forgotten) side of all kung fu training.
Having said that, if we are talking about “Modern Kung Fu”, then I suppose that it is a case of anything goes.:eek:[/QUOTE]
You got that right, and the killer part about all of this; is that someone, or a practitioner that have been training kung fu for over 20 years should no better… There are no differences that are compatible between eastern and western ideals; especially the concepts of breathing (Martial Arts) and for one too do so, will be taking a short cut.
And to mix the two is nothing more then b@stardizing the martial concepts between the east and the west, and to say; that this is what one does or should do is nothing more then hypocrisy on both ends of the candle…
Ali Rahim.