Forget all of that other styles stuff. I think this could be great for all of the Kung Fu guys out their who want to seriously improve their Kung fu. I mean a tournament where you’re FORCED to use your style is great IMO. I think that’s the difference between modern Kung Fu practioners and the old school. Today people like Jason Deluca say they do five animal Kung fu, but when they fight wherre the hell are the five animals? He’s throwing round kicks, spinning heel kicks, jabs and crosses like any othern western/western influenced fighter. It’d be great if their were tournaments focused on ACTUALLY using your Kung Fu. Other styles have tourneys forcing them to use what they learn. Jujitsu guys have it, Judo guys have it, Kickboxers have it, Boxers have it. We don’t. We need it. When you’re watching any mioxed tournament and you’re watching the suppoosed kung Fu guys get their asses handed to them on a silver platter it’s because the jujitsu guy or Thai Fighter is using Jujitsu or thai Fighting. They have tournaments specifally meant for honing those skills. We have San Shou. Which is nowhere near Kung Fu.
Not the no rule crud though. That’s just insane.
I think a tournmey like this would be freakin grand. And I’d look so forward into fighting in something of this nature.
Enough of the “reality” aspect already…
I think an ALL kung-fu tournament with certain rules imposed would be great for the art. The objective of such an event should (and would) not be on par with such NHB comps like UFC or Pride on the level or realismbrutality, but rather a beautiful demonstration of skill and showcase of different kung-fu techniques pitted against each other. I believe that concept would turn out to be quite entertaining.
in reply to the question about hitting someone with forearms headbutts etc etc etc , the result is always the same it takes longer to ko an opponent that to lock him up. It always is like this always will be unless you are a baddass mofo puncher. In which case you will destroy the guy, with one punch , so what the hell do you have to prove by going into the ring ???
as for the gloves protecting the hands, what bunch of pussies believe that !!! Youve never really trained on a makiwara or a rock filled bag have you ???
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reminds me of the story that i heard donno if its ttrue or not about muhammed ali haveing really brittle hands !!! Imagine him training iron fist and fighting barehand
what do bin laden and general custer have in common???
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Vasco, i think he was talking about Helio when he fought Kimura.
But lets not polute this thread with discussions that dont belong here, ok?
Getting back to the topic, i think it should be bare hands. If you are afraid of hurting your hands, do some conditioning like Wong said.
From what I’ve heard gloves are to avoid cuts to the fighters skin and such.
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“in reply to the question about hitting someone with forearms headbutts etc etc etc , the result is always the same it takes longer to ko an opponent that to lock him up.”
Bull S h i t, It takes one strike to knock an opponent out. In grappling it takes a takedown, gaining position then a submission.
“always will be unless you are a baddass mofo puncher. In which case you will destroy the guy, with one punch , so what the hell do you have to prove by going into the ring ???”
Again Bull S h i t, you had James Warring a former IBF cruiserweight champion fight Renzo Gracie and get taken down and submitted before landing a good punch. Whats did he have to prove, well it’s simple he wanted to prove that
good striking was all you needed to be a good fighter. He was proven wrong.
“as for the gloves protecting the hands, what bunch of pussies believe that !!! Youve never really trained on a makiwara or a rock filled bag have you ???”
This is a fact, since the fighters were forced to wear gloves there has been far less hand breakages in fights, which was getting out of hand in the first MMA tournaments. But hey, if you prefer no gloves then fine; it was an advantage to the strikers to have them.
I think Gilbert Yvel proved that the striker can KO his opponent faster than most can submit them (The one kick KO on Big Daddy from Pride 10 I think?). Sure there have been some quick subs inside of a minute (Frank Shamrock vs Kevin Jackson, Sak vs Shannon the Cannon, etc), but now with more all around guys that can avoid takedowns better, the quick submissions are more and more rare these days.
They’re all watching for the strikes now. The cycle continues, now the grapplers respect the strikes and are no longer so eager to rush in for the takedown, because the strikers are learned in their craft as well. I’d like to think it’s evolution, but if you look at it, it’s more like a history lesson. The styles are again becoming more well rounded. It won’t be long before another martial arts “golden age” is upon us
As far as Helio losing to Kimura. C’mon man, that’s a special case. Kimura didn’t train Judo, he was Judo. The living embodiment of his style. That’s all the man lived for. Well, so do the Gracies, but that doesn’t mean losing to Kimura should be their ruin. I don’t know if there are many others that could have taken him.
You know, this event format everyone is talking about is already codified in Vale Tudo.
By saying you want an exclusive “kung fu only” vale tudo event, you are making the unspoken presupposition that “kung fu” can’t hang with “grapplers”, which only reinforces what non-kungfuists are always harping on.
Wow, I never knew that. I like that quote. I didn’t even know much about Kimura until Ryu showed up here. After a little while, I finally started looking up info about him. I love finding info about the greats like Kimura, Mas Oyama, Ku Yu Cheong, Wong Fei Hung, etc…
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Wongsifu has diahrreah of the mouth.Go rent some more UFC’s and continue your bullshitting.BTW I hope your not talking about Kano or Kimura’s fight with Helio.Noone got their arm broken, Helio choked Kano out and lost on points to kimura.It was sport jiu jitsu not fighting.Whatever, your a genius.
When you’r telling one of your little stories, here’s a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.
What do the kungfu guys in this thread mean by a tournament where you ‘have to fight with your style’? I mean, seriously, give a practical definition of ‘fight with your style’ because I can’t figure it out.
And what are wongsifu and the others arguing about? I can’t seem to follow it. What does one side believe that the other doesn’t (other than that so-and-so sucks; oh no they rock; no they suck! … )
Lost on points?? Where did you get that version, there were no points.
"During the fight, Kimura threw Gracie repeatedly with ippon-seoi-nage [one arm shoulder throw], osoto-gari [major outer reap], and harai-goshi [sweeping hip/loin]. He also included painful suffocating grappling techniques such as kuzure-kamishiho-gatame [modified upper four corner hold], kesa-gatame [scarf hold], sankaku-gatame [triangle hold]. Gracie proved to be a formidable opponent refusing to surrender after 12 minutes of grueling fight. Kimura then took Gracie down with an osoto-gari followed by kuzure-kamishiho-gatame. During the battle that followed, Gracie bridged out of the pin and right into Kimura’s ude-garami (arm lock) [chicken-wing arm lock]. The arm bar must have been painful but when Gracie refused to surrender, Kimura applied yet more pressure, and as a result Gracie suffered a broken left elbow.
Even with the broken elbow, Gracie still refused to give up, so his comer “threw in the towel”. Kimura was declared the winner by TKO. Although Kimura won the actual fight, it was acknowledged that Gracie had the greater fighting spirit and will. Kimura later applauded Gracie’s tremendous will to win."
bai he…true…kimura did systematically beat helio. kimura was a remarkable man…he use to have nitemares sleeping cause he would hear the sound of broken bones…
Byf ight with your style I mean I don’t wanna see five animal fighters doing Tae Kwon Do. I don’t want crane stylist throwing Jabs. I dont want Wing Chun Fighters throwing crosses. I want Kung Fu people to start actually using the flubbing Kung Fu they list as their style when they enter a tournament. The only way they(fellows in those tournaments) can improve is by doing it.
