I agree with all of your points 100%! I wasn’t even halfway through this thread when I thought “What does Kung Fu vs. Kung Fu prove?” Then Abel proposed his almost perfect set of rules (which incidentally look a LOT like the rules of the first 4 or so UFC’s). I also agree with Abel that Kung Fu needs to lay the smack down in a public venue if it is to be taken seriously as a fighting art. I’m not saying Kung Fu can’t, I’m saying it hasn’t yet in a widely seen venue, and that raises doubts.
I propose a different set of rules though. No biting, fishhooking or eye gouging. All other techniques allowed. All ring tactics allowed (stalling, extremely defensive fighting,etc).
I have one more question: On what surface will this take place and in what type of enclosure? Ring? Cage? Fenced in like the Octagon?
I think the best way to hold a kung fu competition is to have both opponents wearing one of those redman suits , where you can get kicked in the nuts and it wont hurt. This way even if you get some guy with iron palm he will bounce his opponent like 50 feet away with a strike and no one will get hurt…
Btw Sifuabel what the hell is a LIGHT groin strike..
is it one that makes you go
:o
instead of
:eek:
what do bin laden and general custer have in common???
They’re both wondering where the fu(k all of those tomahawks are coming from. - donated by mojo
on a more serious note , the realism of the fight must be emulated , realism means that hitting a guy 3 times with gloves and causing no damage , subsequently being took down is very different from on the street hitting a guy 2 in the face is enough for him to need plastic surgery and face reconstruction , kimura wouldnt be able to throw you after that..
Also how do you win , when the only way a striker can win is by koein his opponent or killing him , whereas grapplers can apply 1032850297520 diferrent locks and the opponent just taps.
we should be able to balance this out by having point rules allocated like san shou where a throw is 3 points a strike is 1 … only not so pissy.
I dont care what anyone says but the matter of the fact is , in the ring i might lose to gracie , but on the street i would kick him so hard in the nuts that he’ll be spitting out spunk for a week.
what do bin laden and general custer have in common???
They’re both wondering where the fu(k all of those tomahawks are coming from. - donated by mojo
When and where? No rules should apply at all! They’re are no rules in kung-fu if there were rules it would be unrealistic. People in the competition should know not to kill someone, and any true master would know when to stop, anyway a true master wouldn’t enter a tourney. What does a master have to prove?
I agree about the ground. It should be hard. What if you used something closer to a LIGHTLY padded wooden floor, akin to thin or medium weight carpet padding with some sort of surfacing? Grass or astroturf would also be excellent. You’ve now got something that will create almost as hard of an impact, but not so much bleeding, and grass/turf is not particularly unrealistic.
I disagree completely about the point system. Think about it: In a fight, you win when your opponent no longer poses a threat to you. For a stand-up style, this means a KO, or disabling your attacker in some other way, maybe knocking the wind out of him or executing a joint strike that leaves them unable to continue. The more grappler oriented guy will be looking to disable as well, but either with a takedown, or a joint lock.
Bare-knuckle only. Just for the record, gloves protect the HANDS not the head. You can punch MUCH harder with gloves on than without because you don’t worry about breaking your hand. The blunt trauma impact of a gloved hand is far worse than most bare knuckle shots for that reason.
Felonious, have you yet considered that nobody takes you seriously? That said, I stand by my rules: No biting, no eye-gouges, no fish-hooks. All else is legal.
WongSifu,
LOL @ the “Light Groin Strike” emoticons. I think the light groin contact is the one where you have to say “hold up a sec” then everyone pauses for like…10 seconds when the effects kick in.
As for how strikers would win? Just like you said, KO. There’s also submission by strikes (Ground and Pound), or just chopping away at the extremities until they can’t continue (Like Mo Smith did to Tank, and Frank Shamrock did at his K-1 Debut). The whole point is that if you’re just a striker, then you’ll be at a disadvantage, because you can’t control the pace of the game.
If your Kung Fu style has at least basic anti grappling principles then you can at least attempt to keep the fight standing in your neighborhood, but if you have good functional knowledge of striking and grappling (especially when mixed in healthy doses of punishment), then you can more easily stay relaxed and focused, so you can concentrate on where to take your opponent. If he’s a better grappler, then your skills should be used defensively until you can open up some strikes, and make him change the game, but if he’s a sharper/faster striker, it would be beneficial to stay in tight, and tie up his weapons (which is easier on the ground).
You see that’s the point of Kung Fu, it’s not to be better than everyone at every single thing, it’s to be great at one aspect, but knowledgable about the rest in order to be prepared for any opponent.
Your a funny little man.Nice speculation on your part.
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Whats all the antimocity towards the Gracie’s for?Last time I checked those “Gracie” guys were professional fighters.Who in the hell are you?Here’s a idea, put your silk kf jammies on an instead of talking, go kick someone in the balls.
When you’r telling one of your little stories, here’s a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.
CHANTILLY is in fairfax county before u hit 29! You train at LLOYD’s rite??? We had a guy from LLOYD working out with my friend MIKE ACCOSTA…name HARRY( ??? ) was in the boxing program training for a LEI TEI tourney. Funny thing is I work out at OLYMPUS and reg. see the YAMASAKI boyz training…I would like to roll with them but u gotz to PAY…and CARL RUNK’s rite now are having newbies play the game.
vasco first of all i dont have anything against gracie secondly , i would much prefer to be practising kung fu in my jammies rather than learning from a guy whos grandad had his arm broken when he challenged a real fighter and ever since then i made money off fooling people into thinking that my art wins by inviting some nobodies and beating them, woo hooo i invited a black belt from japan and video taped it , man thats so low , a black belt for fu(ks sake and gracie whoever it was has been practising for 25 years , thats like mike tyson picking on a 10 year old. And he was rolling around for 10 minuutes with the guy , the guy is a karateka for fucks sake.
professional fighter hmmmmm, plz
and in case you havent heard the news lately its who the hell is gracie now, or any one of his 50 kids
what do bin laden and general custer have in common???
They’re both wondering where the fu(k all of those tomahawks are coming from. - donated by mojo
“on a more serious note , the realism of the fight must be emulated , realism means that hitting a guy 3 times with gloves and causing no damage , subsequently being took down is very different from on the street hitting a guy 2 in the face is enough for him to need plastic surgery and face reconstruction , kimura wouldnt be able to throw you after that..”
This really shows how much you know about fighting. Wearing gloves protects the hands not the head, any fighter knows this; That is why amateurs wear head gear. Causing no damage, pulleeezzzeee; a boxing glove with a bigger surface area and weight causes more permanent damage than a fist that will break. Its true though that a glove is less likely to cause cuts than a bare fist, however any striker knows that it’s easier to knock someone out wearing a glove.
“Also how do you win , when the only way a striker can win is by koein his opponent or killing him , whereas grapplers can apply 1032850297520 diferrent locks and the opponent just taps.”
I striker can hit with and a fist, forearm, elbow, knee, foot, shin, heel, ridgheand, quad, calf etc. and in brazil the headbutt. literally 100123123324523 different strikes and combinations. It really doesn’t sound that lopsided to me.
“we should be able to balance this out by having point rules allocated like san shou where a throw is 3 points a strike is 1 … only not so pissy.”
Oh, you want to have more rules… how ironic coming from someone who says that MMA already has too many. Anyways, leave that point s h i t to the amateurs; The 10 point must system isn’t perfect but it is a million times better than that.
The hard floor would favor the grappler IMO. Being slammed or having a grappler mounted punching/elbowing you with a hard surface behind your head is bad news, you absorb the impact and/or smash your head on the floor. Plus having someone in the guard on concrete is not nearly as dangerous to the bottom person if they know BJJ, they may sweep you on your head and knock you out like mama said. Anyhow, since it is Kung Fu only we wont have to worry about that because no BJJ allowed right? No mount/guard or armbars etc. So I would expect it to look like Kung Fu Theater till someone takes it to the ground, then you see headlocks and the typical inexperienced flopping and rolling. LOL sounds entertaining, kinda like that guy from the old UFC, his name was Fred Ettish I think…
"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman
Who got their arm broken?Who’s grandad are you talking about?You are so unclear in your writings, I don’t know what your talking about.Opinions can differ, but you are so off base it’s borderline trolling.
When you’r telling one of your little stories, here’s a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.
