Lately I have noticed a number of posters asking why MMA people come here and post on a Kung Fu forum. I also hear how these “supposed” MMA folks have no right to be here and the question keeps getting asked “why do you post on a Kung Fu forum”.
But here is the thing, styles and arts have been compared for a long time. Kung Fu has been compared to Karate, Taekwondo, Aikido, Judo, Ninjitsu, ect, ect. I know this topic was talked about in the 70’s and 80’s and even into the 90’s. With the emergence of MMA and styles that consistenly make up MMA such as Muay Thai and BJJ, it is only natural for the comparison to be made. Yet all you butt hurt wankers:D on here constantly pi**ss and moan about someone comparing your art to something else. Guess what, it is going to happen. When you buy a car, do you compare it to another model you looked at from another dealership, of course. What is the difference?
Now I will be the first to admit ignorance can be abound on both sides and the chest puffers coming here saying all Kung Fu is sh**it and MMA is the best are annoying and probably should not be posting here. But more often than not I see guys who have trained in some form of Kung Fu, at least at one time, and make valid comparisons to what they did or did not get from their Kung Fu training as opposed to other methods. I don’t see what the problem is with that.
In another thread You Know Who compared throws in Shuai Jiao and Judo. It is currently an interesting thread and as of yet I see no one getting bent out of shape due to this comparison. So I ask, what is the difference. Do all arts have to be Asian to be respected here. I tire of the MMA is best as much as anyone but I also tire of the “this is Kung Fu, only for Kung Fu” bull sh**it that gets flung around as well. In the end, all martial arts styles will be compared and contrasted, particulary with whatever happens to be the flavor of the week. (MMA).
do you see kung fu people post that they suck in these forums?
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I don’t know, and I don’t care. If someone has experience in Kung Fu they have the right to post here. Technically if they don’t have experience in Kung Fu they can post here. What I am saying is they can and are constructive comparisons of Kung Fu to other arts, their training methods, and so on and so on. But you like most only see the bad, since everyone here says Kung Fu sucks.:rolleyes:
I agree with you. Getting one’s panties in a twist arguing over opinions is the internet’s national sport.
However, posting on a Kung Fu Forum about how superior MMA is to Kung Fu
is similar to going to Comic Con in order to deride cosplayers.
Sure you get to hurl insults at all the nerds, but you are just as pathetic cause you’re at f ucking Comic Con.
Or going to an AA meeting to socialize even though you don’t have a drinking problem.
An MMA proponent coming on a Kung Fu forum to deride so called traditional arts is just kind of pathetic.
It makes more sense when someone comes from a CMA background and moves on to MMA, but at a certain point one should graduate to sherdog or bullshido. Those ponds are probably too big for some fish.
I think the real issue is that martial arts training has a tendency to breed ego. People take themselves too seriously, think their s hit doesn’t stink and start getting shrill.
Nonetheless, as you point out, the comparisons are valid and necessary.
This MMA vs TCMA, believe it or not, is traditional.
In China the MMA guys of the day were wrestlers. They were the guys to beat. And defeating a wrestler was such a big deal that stories of how such and such’s ability was so great that he could easily defeat a wrestler pop up often in lineage lore.
What we should be looking at is our fighting edge. Have we lost it? China has a rich warrior tradition. Having that “fighting edge” is ingrained in their culture. And what are they doing? They are studying brazilian jiu jitsu. They are studying Jeet Kune Do. Is this approach traditional? MOST DEFINITELY, YES!!!
MMA is Kung Fu and Kung Fu is MMA.
People have always compared one system to another, always have and always will.
No one skin should be so thin as to NOT want to have their views on things challenged.
Seriously now.
I have experience in some TCMA and I know that they, along with the rest of TCMA do NOT have everything and never HAD everything, no ONE system ever had EVERYTHING.
There is a reason there are so many systems of TCMA and MA in general, so that you can fill in the missing pieces on your way to be as complete a MA as you can be.
MMA can help that process AND it can hinder it, it all depends on the individual.
Since when did TCMA become such a bunch of whiney pussies ???
[QUOTE=bawang;1055911]tcma vs mma is a extension of high school . the nerd and jock has grown up but they still hate each other[/QUOTE]
Bawang, this is supreme wisdom. You have managed to reduce the entire TCMA Vs. MMA debate to one sentence. Lao Zi would be impressed.
The two classic stereotypes. The majority of people do not conform to them, however when you push people they will rapidly fall into one group or the other. Oh it depends on the situation of course… Even in a Physics lecture at MIT you can split people into jocks and nerds. Even in the roughest street gang you could split people into jocks and nerds. Because everyone is always a jock or a nerd relative to another person. Its all about relativity.
So here in a KUNG FU forum, off course the MMA guys instantly become jocks, because they are in a TCMA forum, even if they are well balanced people. Go to an MMA forum and the same people may be nerds. This argument will nerver end.
MMA is not a style. It is a set of mildly limiting rules.
San Da is not a style. It is a set of moderately limiting rules, like Muay Thai or K1.
Shuai Jiao is a set of limiting rules, like Judo, or Boxing, or TKD, or wrestling.
Push-Hands is is a set of highly limiting rules, like Sumo.
To say “I do Chi Sao but not boxing” is to say “I play by highly limiting rules, not simply limiting rules.” To say “I do Shuai Jiao, but not San Da” is to say “I play by limiting rules, not just moderately limiting rules.” To say “I do San Da, but I don’t do MMA” is to say “I play by moderately limiting rules, but not mildly limiting rules.”
In this regard, to say “I don’t do MMA because there are too many rules” when all you’ve ever done is sparred under even more limiting rulesets is quite fantastic. As fantastic as saying “I’ve fought hundreds of Kung Fu street fights, MMA is for pussies” when streetfights involve at least one untrained drunk or one “Can” 99% of the time compared to Sport Fights which involve a trained competitor who is sober. Saying “MMA/Kung Fu is better/worse than Kung Fu/MMA” misses the point entirely: MMA is a SET OF RULES.
[QUOTE=sanjuro_ronin;1055892]MMA is Kung Fu and Kung Fu is MMA.
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Actually Ronin, no…no its not. And thats why these arguments get so heated because it is difficult for one side to understand the other.
Reducing ‘Kung Fu’ (which by the way has not one Iota to do with fighting) to simply a martial art instantly destroys the whole argument. Because understand it or not ‘Kung Fu’ contains elements that ‘Wushu’ does not.
Its like comparing Yoga to Squash as a way of keeping fit. The comparison can only work on some levels.
Or like comparing David Beckham and Michael Jordan in as who can control a ball better. The comparison falls down if we include too many of either Basketball or Footballs characteristics.
if a guy is getting beat up on the street, would you jump in and help him?
“NOE NOE NOE THATS DANGEROUS NEVER BREAK UP A FIGHT NOEN OF MY BUSINES WHAT IF I GET STABED”
thats why american kung fu isnt really kung fu at all
[QUOTE=RenDaHai;1055949]Actually Ronin, no…no its not. And thats why these arguments get so heated because it is difficult for one side to understand the other.
Reducing ‘Kung Fu’ (which by the way has not one Iota to do with fighting) to simply a martial art instantly destroys the whole argument. Because understand it or not ‘Kung Fu’ contains elements that ‘Wushu’ does not.
Its like comparing Yoga to Squash as a way of keeping fit. The comparison can only work on some levels.
Or like comparing David Beckham and Michael Jordan in as who can control a ball better. The comparison falls down if we include too many of either Basketball or Footballs characteristics.[/QUOTE]
kung fu is skill over time, MMA is skill over time, Kung fu is MMA and MMA is king fu.
We can ADD to that as much as we want, but at its core, kung fu is simply a cultivated skill and that is what MMA is also.
I tire of the MMA is best as much as anyone but I also tire of the “this is Kung Fu, only for Kung Fu” bull sh**it that gets flung around as well. In the end, all martial arts styles will be compared and contrasted, particulary with whatever happens to be the flavor of the week. (MMA).
